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I have tried to keep an open mind throughout our discussion (I hope that you will agree), but something has bothered me since almost the beginning, but I couldn't put my finger on it. That is, until this morning as I was making my 70 mile commute (lots of time to think and pray!).

I have noticed that you have utilized Genesis 8:21-22 as your definitive passage, and used it to interpret all the rest of Scripture. I believe that you have thus placed the cart before the horse. Rather than allowing an isolated passage of Scripture to interpret the rest of Scripture, one must always allow the overall mesage of Scripture to interpret individual passages.

As a result, God is saying in Genesis 8 that he will never again destroy the earth in the same manner as the flood. This is the meaning that Peter assigns, as witnessed by II Peter 3:1-15. This is only one of many passages that describe the final consummation of the history of this earth, and the promise of a "new heaven and new earth to come. This is the "world without end" (Isa 45:17; Eph 3:21), a world that has been purified by fire and no longer bears the stain of sin.

I agree with your comment about 2 Peter 3:1-15. It is one of the reasons why I do not buy into the theory espoused by Russell in his book The Parousia. I think full preterism is a mistake. And I think Russell's explanation of 2 Peter 3:1-15 is typical of the deception which ensnared him.

However, I submit that if you do not buy into Russell's explanation of 2 Peter 3:1-15, then you can't cling to any form of premillennialism, either.

If you will carefully re-read the passage (rather than the commentaries, of course!), I think you will see what I mean.

(Eschatology is funny stuff!)

Ok, I'll admit that I have a little confusion here, if I understand correctly that we still wait for the second comming of our Lord. Is this not what premillennialism does believe?

BTW, doc, the first resurrection in Revelation 20: is this the resurrection of Christ or is it something else?

I have noticed that you have utilized Genesis 8:21-22 as your definitive passage, and used it to interpret all the rest of Scripture.

I do not. I base Christs 1st century coming as my key to interpreting scripture based on the overwhelming time text by Him and His apostles.

You have continualy ignored my question.
HOW can the "days of vengeance":
Matthew 23:32 Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers. 33 You serpents, you brood of vipers, how are you to escape being sentenced to hell? 34 Therefore I send you prophets and wise men and scribes, some of whom you will kill and crucify, and some you will scourge in your synagogues and persecute from town to town, 35 that upon you may come all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of innocent Abel to the blood of Zechari'ah the son of Barachi'ah, whom you murdered between the sanctuary and the altar. 36 Truly, I say to you, all this will come upon this generation. 37 "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, killing the prophets and stoning those who are sent to you! How often would I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you would not! 38 Behold, your house is forsaken and desolate.

from the "second coming which brings the resurrection and "deliverance" (rapture):
Daniel 12:1 "At that time shall arise Michael, the great prince who has charge of your people. And there shall be a time of trouble,[great tribulation] such as never has been since there was a nation till that time; but at that time your people shall be delivered, every one whose name shall be found written in the book.[rapture] 2 And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, [resurrection]some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. 3 And those who are wise shall shine like the brightness of the firmament; and those who turn many to righteousness, like the stars for ever and ever. [following Christians in the new covenant "For you are the light of the world, a city set on a hill cannot be hid".

THESE EVENTS ARE SIMULTANEOUS. ONE TIME PERIOD!!!

When?
Daniel 12:. 6 And I said to the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the stream, "How long shall it be till the end of these wonders?" 7 The man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the stream, raised his right hand and his left hand toward heaven; and I heard him swear by him who lives for ever that it would be for a time, two times, and half a time; and that when the shattering of the power of the holy people comes to an end all these things would be accomplished.
Luke 21:22 for these are days of vengeance, to fulfil all that is written.

INCLUDING DANIEL 12 and REVELATION!!!

If the "days of vengeance" (Matt 23) are passed, so is EVERYTHING else.

A partial preterist cannot defend himself TRULY in the light of these scriptures.

ALL else must fit this. AQll interpretation. All referrence to "judgment". All referrence to "end of the AGE". All referrence to the new covenant.

It all rests on Christs completed work at His return and ALL things being under His feet (1 Cor 15, Hebrews 2:8, Hebrews 10)