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To: woollyone;vmatt
You are correct. The great White Throne will be only for the perishing...

Actually, it was not. All those asleep in Christ were judged according to their works, all those who were dead in sin were judged to eternal damnation.
No where does it speak of 2 judgment seats.
It simply speaks of the White Throne.

The "non" judgment I referred to is only in effect for those after the return and "great white throne."
Christians today are not judged by our works at all! That is an "old covenant" system of salvation, not a new covenant.
One thing that gets lost is that Christ taught the "new covenant" teachings before it was ever in effect. So did the writer of Hebrews.

So, I ask you again, when did Jesus ever return in bodily form to rightly fulfill the prophecy of Acts 1:9-11.

And I submit to you again, "like manner" is that He would return in a cloud!! Not "bodily"(a word NOT used in describing His return but "cloud" is all over the place) visible, but "shikinah" visible. His super-physical body WAS in the "shikinah" glory cloud.

I submitt to Vmatt's explination of it being seen. The "shikinah" cloud was seen and what a better confirmation of it's existance than from a guy who did not believe in Christ?! He was unsaved yet attributed this to God!!

...and not a really visible and important event, shouldn't we have some eyewitnesses to the alleged event?

Again, it was visible and important. You just are hung up on "bodily" (again, not used as a description but cloud is) instead of seeing Christ's referrence (hint) to His "shikinah glory" cloud.

Joesphus wrote of things he didn't actually see first-hand concerning the Messiah, he only relates second and third-hand testimony and certainly has a reputation of exaggeration in his relating of history,

You clearly have not read your old testament. You have disqualified every writer of prophecy!! (Other than the "second and third hand" remark. In that case Lukes gospel is unreliable at best.)

Josephus has been smeared because religious men see the threat he poses to their "authority" structure. I am convinced more "teachers" today understand the real implications and changes/threat a "fulfilled" promise (new covenant) would cause.
169 posted on 01/16/2002 11:12:12 AM PST by NATE4"ONE NATION"
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To: NATE4"ONE NATION"; vmatt
Yeah, well...whatever.

The hermeneutics employed by you aren't worth to disputing. If you believe that the new Jerusalem has come down from heaven, that Jesus is now reigning from His throne in the New Jerusalem and that satan is bound, then that's what you're going to believe, regardless of any disagreeing views. (Proverbs 11:12)

"With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love; Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace." (Eph. 4:2-3)

SDG

174 posted on 01/16/2002 12:38:05 PM PST by woollyone
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