Agree?: Rudy's public adultery & abortion advocacy disqualify him as a hero.

self ^ | 12-26-01

[Notwithstanding]

Just want to see what people think.

Rudy has been a "good leader" in the wake of 9-11. Men with shoddy morals can be "good leaders" - but is a leader really good if he fails to show remorse for his evil acts (abortion support and public adultery)? Is a man really a good leader if he publicly advocates serial killing of preborn babies? If he publicly parades his mistress before the cameras? If he never publicly expresses remorse about these two hugely important moral errors.

[Notwithstanding]

"You're an idiot."

[HamiltonJay]

This is the biggest bunch of rediculousness I have ever heard... a Heroic act by anyone is a Heroic act, even if at times in the past they have done things that were less than heroic. Your logic is the same one used by liberals who try to discount the constitution and our founding fathers, because they were slave owners.... I am not condoning or agreeing with Rudy's behavior or stances on these issues... but to try to make this argument is something I expect from Jesse Jackson, not here.

[Notwithstanding]

I boldly hold all pro-abort's feet to the fire so that the only way they can shake the blood of the babies from their minds, hands and reputations is to repent.

Some people hate that.

I find it necessary to highlight the plight of the babies in a nation that tolerates such butchery - bloody baby "carcasses" ripped limb from limb.

[Notwithstanding]

you just did.

[Kalamity]

I must say this on this thread also!! Time choses their "Person of the Year" not by qualification but by how many times their name has appeared in print in their magazine over the past year. Would you have been more pleased had they chosen Bin Laden as they almost did? This is not an honor by any lengths. Why is everyone so shook up about it except that they don't understand how Time magazine works this out.

[Rowdee]

Wow....then Clinton The Pervert had a chance at 'redemption'.....OBL was about a year too late...is it any wonder that the Pervert is mad and asking friends to help 'redeem' his 'legacy'?

Not addressing you re this...but I am no longer amazed that 'conservatives' conveniently get brain-lock when an "R" does anything....they do not see that they aping or mimicking the "kneepad Demoncraps' actions! Double standard anyone?

[wildwood]

personally i think YOU should look for someone who is sinless.

that should make the choice easy.

[Rowdee]

Geeze, don't this pair of scum merit being called "Mommy" and "Daddy"....to hell with whether they are 'role models' for anyone else....what about their own damned kids!

[Rudder]

"Public Adultery"?!!! You gotta be kidding!

Rudy never committed adultery in public---you're just venting and poisoning the well. Hyperbole hurts your credibility.

[GB]

Question ... if there were only two candidates running for the presidency of the United States, no other minor party candidates and no option for write-in votes ... and those candidates were Rudolph Giuliani and Hillary Clinton, who would you vote for?

[Rogmonster]

"So I suppose divorced people who remarry keep breaking that oath for you? Should divorce be criminalized? Seeing as how Rudy's a Catholic, the answer to your questions would be "Yes" and "Yes" as far as the Church is concerned."

I'm sure glad that the Church does not rule my life or my country. Morals can't be legislated.

[Ptaz]

To think otherwise is wholly irrational - and also spits on our Western culture.

That's kind of what I thought about your argument. People like you scare me.

[Rogmonster]

"Christians are COMMANDED to Rebuke, Reprove and Exhort. Those are not nice "lets all get along" words."

I am a Christian and I will kick the crap out of anyone that tries to Rebuke, Reprove, Exhort' or otherwise gets in my face in public.

How's that for 'let's all get along'?

If your wife was wearing a fur coat and some idiot threw blood on it, would you 1.Kick their butt, 2.thank them for helping you to understand how insensitive your wife is?

Get it?

[Rogmonster]

"If we continue to allow abortion to be a political issue we will continue to lose. Abortion is a MORAL issue, and should be removed from the political stage. We've been fighting this battle for 30 years and we have made little gain, babies continue to be aborted, we've lost the opportunity to have good leaders elected because they took a stand one way or the other on it, but the issue itself has not moved one bit."

Exactly. Very wise words.

[dr_who]

Didn't Clinton get to be "man of the year"? Rudy should be insulted.

[RedBloodedAmerican]

If Absalom were alive today, he would post the same thread. Oh, wait...

[KantianBurke]

There is no double standard. Clinton violated the law and should've gone to jail. Rudy violated no law, has made mistakes (which I'm sure even an angel such as urself as done), is falliable but on Sept 11th and since has behaved magnificently.

[Marylander]

He is heroic because when the time came he acted heroically. We can celebrate his heroism without approving of every aspect of his life.

[TheMole]

People can do good or great things even when they have committed serious wrongs themselves. An heroic act is an heroic act. This seems so obvious that it's hard to understand what some of the posters on this thread are on about.

Rudy Giuliani provided inspirational leadership after 9-11. He didn't personally pull any bodies from burning buildings - but then he's a 55-year-old mayor, not a 30-year-old fireman. Time magazine is a reprehensible excretion of cultural Marxism. If its editors had any moral depth or intellectual seriousness, they might have made Rudy Giuliani Man of the Year in the mid-1990s, when his truly remarkable achievements as mayor of New York had become evident.

It's clear that Giuliani has done wrong to his wife and son. It's deeply disappointing that someone with such a stellar record of public achievement comes up woefully short as a family role model at a time when children growing up without a real family is the #1 problem in society. That said, comparing him to Bill Clinton is so ridiculous it's not even a joke. Rudy Giuliani is a crime-fighter; Bill Clinton is a criminal. Giuliani has done a great deal to strengthen civilization in New York; Bill Clinton has done his considerable worst to degrade civization across America.