Agree?: Rudy's public adultery & abortion advocacy disqualify him as a hero.

self ^ | 12-26-01

[Notwithstanding]

Just want to see what people think.

Rudy has been a "good leader" in the wake of 9-11. Men with shoddy morals can be "good leaders" - but is a leader really good if he fails to show remorse for his evil acts (abortion support and public adultery)? Is a man really a good leader if he publicly advocates serial killing of preborn babies? If he publicly parades his mistress before the cameras? If he never publicly expresses remorse about these two hugely important moral errors.

[desertcry]

I agree, that's why he is person of the year of a leftist, pro abortion magazine. But, I still think, Rudy deserves better to be dishonored by such a poor excuse of a magazine. Compared to the bent one, Rudy is a saint.

[anniegetyourgun]

I don't have any qualms with your statements, though I'm not sure what they have to do with mine. For clarity sake, let me just say that my comment was to suggest to the original poster that he/she should not expect the impossible.

[Big Guy and Rusty 99]

whoa there, sailor.

You can not make the connection between Clinton and Rudy. If you do, you play right into the left's hands. All along we maintained that 'it was not about the sex' with Clinton, it was about the perjury, getting others to commit perjury, and the obstruction of justice. As a maried man, cheating is a disgusting thing to me. I have never cheated on my wife and I never will cheat on her. If other people do so, it is abhorrent but not a crime. Clinton is a criminal and anything he does is oppurtunist. He is spit in a lake compared to The Mayor.

Please don't become the stereotype of the ultimtate moralist. If we do that, we play right into our enemies' hands and we might as well take our collective guns put them at their collective heads and pull the collective triggers.

[Notwithstanding]

Just a hunch: glad I did not see that movie.

The illiterate so-called "homophobia" is merely the extreme paranoia the gay activist community suffers in the face of the bible.

[Notwithstanding]

x42 made what Rudy do seem acceptable.

[Ptaz]

Rudy said it best himself. The people of New York are the heroes.

As far as his personal affairs and stances. That's between him and God.

[connectthedots]

CTD:Please explain how abortion can be both 'moral' and 'immoral' at the same time. Two opposing positions cannot possibly be reconciled when one or the other must be true and the other, false!

I didn't say it was both moral and immoral. I said there are different points of view, different opinions about whether it was moral.

There is too much tendency to assume your view is right and anyone who disagrees is evil, rather than accept that others just disagree.

You did not specifically state that abortion is both moral and immoral. You also did not state whether you think abortion is moral or immoral; so what is your answer? Is abortion moral or immoral? It is true that others may disagree with your viewpoint, but as an individual, you cannot maintain both positions. If you are intellectually honest, you must take a position that one or the other is true, but not both.

[Notwithstanding]

A politcian's stances on public policy concerns as well as his conformance to public moral standards (marital fidelity has never been considered a private matter) are not simply between him and GOd.

To think otherwise is wholly irrational - and also spits on our Western culture.

[tgiles]

You're wrong.

Anyone that calls a whole subset of human beings "pond scum" out of hand is a "phobe" no matter how you slice it.

If you disagree, I believe your God will have a surprise for you at the end of the line, my man.

[ravingnutter]

Speaking of unthoughtful...you say there is no exemption...does the "bad" in the vows in your eyes include frequent beatings? Abuse of unborn children? He knocked me down a flight of stairs when I was pregnant because I refused to have an abortion (after several other beatings for the same reason)...now there's a moral dilemma for you to ponder. Some people divorce for real reasons, not just on a whim. Should I have just stayed married to him or should I spend the rest of my life unhappy and alone with no responsible father figure for my children because of my previous marriage to him? I think not. I agree with the other poster, your arrogance is showing.

[Twodees]

FWIW, I think that politicians are neither heroes nor leaders. The mayor did his job. That shouldn't be the basis for anything more than minor notice, though it is rare for an elected official to even do his job.

[Big Guy and Rusty 99]

are you saying that cheating on your wife and having others turn a blind eye to it didn't exist before Clinton? Very few people (except certain men of God) seemed very concerned when David took up with Bathsheba. (sp? - I already packed away the Bible for my big move.)

[Big Guy and Rusty 99]

one more thing:

it was about the perjury, getting others to commit perjury, and the obstruction of justice.

[Crispy]

Who gives you people the right to judge him? I thought that was Gods job. Also, how do you people know he has not asked for forgiveness for his sins?

It's sad how so many "religious" people are so hypocritical.

[pollwatcher]

No pro-life candidate could get elected in Manhatten - the libs and local media would lynch any candidate who'd try. It just the reality of that burg. You gotta take whatever you can get.

[wingnuts'nbolts]

I believe Jesus said "Judge not lest ye be judged".

I believe you are right, that's my point!.

[Notwithstanding]

Then we can only conclude that any one who can get elected as mayor of NY will deal with devil to do so.

Not most people's idea of a hero.

Lazio is bad, Hillary is worse.

That Hillary is worse does not make Lazio good - merely better than she. Making heroes of sellouts like Rudy is bad form for conservaives.

He did a good job after 9-11. Great. He did nothing to risk his own life (please let me know of eveidence to the contrary) in the wake of 9-11. He did his job and did it well. And he still supports abortion and is an adulterer.

[verity]

Surely you must have something more important to do! [ok. I won't call you 'surely.']

[Notwithstanding]

Verity has nothing better to do than post insults on threads whose content he dislikes - apparently ?? How morally big of you, verity.