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To: Notwithstanding
People can do good or great things even when they have committed serious wrongs themselves. An heroic act is an heroic act. This seems so obvious that it's hard to understand what some of the posters on this thread are on about.

Rudy Giuliani provided inspirational leadership after 9-11. He didn't personally pull any bodies from burning buildings - but then he's a 55-year-old mayor, not a 30-year-old fireman. Time magazine is a reprehensible excretion of cultural Marxism. If its editors had any moral depth or intellectual seriousness, they might have made Rudy Giuliani Man of the Year in the mid-1990s, when his truly remarkable achievements as mayor of New York had become evident.

It's clear that Giuliani has done wrong to his wife and son. It's deeply disappointing that someone with such a stellar record of public achievement comes up woefully short as a family role model at a time when children growing up without a real family is the #1 problem in society. That said, comparing him to Bill Clinton is so ridiculous it's not even a joke. Rudy Giuliani is a crime-fighter; Bill Clinton is a criminal. Giuliani has done a great deal to strengthen civilization in New York; Bill Clinton has done his considerable worst to degrade civization across America.

160 posted on 12/26/2001 2:09:20 PM PST by TheMole
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If Bill Clinton went to Afghanistan by himself, tracked down Osama, and shot him in the head, I think that would be considered a heroic act by most people.

If Osama went to Arkansas, tracked Bill Clinton down, and... oh geez, now I've written myself into a corner.

164 posted on 12/26/2001 2:47:01 PM PST by tgiles
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To: TheMole
Please note my original post in this thread in which I cleraly laud Rudy's performance post-9/11.

I merely wanted to prompt a discussion about serious character flaws so that the hero-worship might be tempered with the reality of his human frailty.

167 posted on 12/26/2001 6:14:03 PM PST by Notwithstanding
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