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To: HamiltonJay
I boldly hold all pro-abort's feet to the fire so that the only way they can shake the blood of the babies from their minds, hands and reputations is to repent.

Some people hate that.

I find it necessary to highlight the plight of the babies in a nation that tolerates such butchery - bloody baby "carcasses" ripped limb from limb.

144 posted on 12/26/2001 12:31:15 PM PST by Notwithstanding
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To: Notwithstanding
I am quite pro-life. However, I also do not base my voting or political philosophy on one issue. And I am not going to fall on my sword like King Saul over the issue of abortion, on which absolutely nothing is going to change until hearts and minds in this country change ... Steve Forbes pegged that well ... or use that single issue as a litmus test for the candidates I support. As a pro-life person, I am naturally going to gravitate toward a pro-life candidate. All things being equal, I'll support the pro-life candidate.

But if there's a scenario where you have candidate A and candidate B, and candidate A is right in line with me on 99 of 100 issues, with the 100th issue being abortion, and candidate B is out of line with me on 100 out of 100 issues, I will unapologetically and unashamedly vote for candidate A.

Because as important as the abortion issue is ... there is a whole pile of other stuff, whether political, social or cultural, on this country's plate right now, and I'm not going to toss away 99 percent of what I want when the alternative is getting zero percent of what I want, in a Quixotian quest for a perfection that is unattainable.

If you want to call me a compromiser, or read me out of the conservative movement (which I've been a proud member of for three decades) because of those sentiments, feel free. But I'm sorry, I have no use for single-issue zealots even when that issue is one I support.

163 posted on 12/26/2001 2:44:03 PM PST by GB
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To: Notwithstanding
I boldly hold all pro-abort's feet to the fire so that the only way they can shake the blood of the babies from their minds, hands and reputations is to repent.

Some people hate that.

I find it necessary to highlight the plight of the babies in a nation that tolerates such butchery - bloody baby "carcasses" ripped limb from limb.

Abortion is an abomination, make no mistake. Do not confuse my post in 142 as condolence or acceptance of abortion... it is an abomination upon the earth. But you cannot take away a heroic act because of other acts unrelated that were not great.... Slavery was an abomination upon this earth as well, yet slave owners founded this great nation.

The arguments being laid forth regarding Guliani in this thread that he can't be a hero because he has bad stands on other positions are preposterous, and ones that you expect from Jesse Jackson, or others... its the same line of reasoning the left uses all the time to tear down anything they do not agree with, and it is fundamentally flawed and failed.

Guiliani is not a saint, but one does not have to be a saint to engage in heroic acts or deeds... The moral attempt to equat that since he is stands I do not agree with, all accomplishments he has done are valueless is failed flawed and intellectually dishonest. This whole thread is nothing more than bashing for the sake of bashing, if you wish to call Guliani out for his political stands, feel free to do so... but do not try to question or undermine his actions on and through 9-11 because of them.. that is a fools errand.

183 posted on 12/26/2001 9:26:06 PM PST by HamiltonJay
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