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Is Free Republic a Fraud? Is it time for Free Republic to go away?
Free Republic | 11/28/01 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 11/28/2001 7:31:29 PM PST by Jim Robinson

Free Republic has had one helluva run over the last five years or so. We helped impeach one president and helped get another into office. We've been active in demonstrations and protests in nearly every city across the nation. We've participated in conventions, petition drives, activism campaigns and projects for dozens of conservative causes.

We've grown from a tiny web site with a few hundred posters and readers from the time of inception in 1996, to one with tens of thousands of participants today. Along the way we've made lots of great friends and, unfortunately, also made lots of bitter enemies.

We've grown from a small web site that I could manage myself on a part-time basis to a huge monster that has totally consumed all of my time and resources plus nearly all of John's time, plus the time and resources of many dedicated FReepers who volunteer or contribute large amounts of their own time and money.

The site is now consuming all of a 10 mbps dedicated line with two servers and we're still growing, and it consumes large amounts of money to keep all this running. In the early years, it only took a few thousand dollars per month to keep Free Republic on the air, but it is now costing over $20,000 per month to cover all expenses.

The major costs include approximately $8,000 per month for bandwidth, 3,000 for systems management and programming services, 7,000 for management, operating and administrative services, plus two or three thousand per month for miscellaneous office expenses, telephone, communications, repairs & maintenance, travel & lodging, postage, rentals, insurance, legal fees, accounting fees, etc., etc.

We anticipate a reduction in bandwidth costs next year as we renegotiate our contract (the market price for bandwidth has fallen recently), however, that will be more than offset by an expected increase in costs of our legal expenses. As most of you know, our pro bono attorney has left us and we've hired a new attorney to continue with our case, plus we have the suit against eschoir to pay for. My projections are that our regular monthly expenses for next year will be running in the neighborhood of $22,000 per month, or approximately $264,000 total for the year. This means we will need to raise approximately $66,000 per quarter.

Talking about making enemies, we've got several ex-FReepers and other detractors who are claiming on their anti-freeper web sites that I am ripping off the donors and that Free Republic is a fraud. Now, Free Republic is what it is, and it is definitely not a fraud. It is a conservative news discussion forum that encourages participation in politics and activism projects. It is not being billed as anything else. We are not selling or promising anything. And I am being up front about our operating costs. The costs of running Free Republic are what I've stated above and they are necessary to keep FR on the air. I do not have the financial wherewithal to operate this site without your help. If the majority of the FReepers feel that these costs are out of line or too much to bear or that Free Republic is no longer wanted or needed, then we will either cut it back or shut it down or do something altogether different.

I've also been criticized about not making our financials public. Well, the reason I do not want to do this is that I have been sued, both personally and as Free Republic, LLC. The people suing us want to bankrupt us and shut us down. They subpoenaed our financial records, but we refused to turn them over. The judge agreed that the plaintiffs have no right to the information, thus I have no intention of making any more of it public than I absolutely have to, until this lawsuit is resolved. You all know the amounts of money we raise if you follow the fundraising threads. It is all above board and out in the open. The totals posted by BadJoe are usually pretty close to the actual cash received and the amounts expended are pretty close to the amounts projected. No one is getting rich here and no one is being ripped off. The funds raised are being used for the purposes stated, and that is keeping this website on the air and that's it. Nothing fraudulent about it. Those who want to help fund us freely do so with nothing expected in return. Those who do not want to contribute do not have to.

There was a thread running this morning where people were making all kinds of accusations about Free Republic "hiding the truth" or whatever. These accusations are being made by Chuck Allan and others and fall along the same line with the accusations being made by some of the earlier banees or AFers including Mojo, Inspector Harry Callahan, Arator, keep U.S. Sovereign, TKEman and others. Some of these people are existing FReepers and some are banned. I am going to reinstate Mojo, Inspector Harry Callahan and Arator's accounts so they can join Chuck Allan, TKEman, K.U.S.S. and whomever else wants to get involved, and I invite them to come onto this thread and make their accusations public. As long as they do not go onto other threads and make a nuisance of themselves, I will let them have their say.

Like I said above, if it is time for Free Republic to go away so be it. Those who want to keep it going speak up. Those who want it to go away, tell us why. But if those who want it to be gone lose out in the debate, then I'd say they should just go away themselves, or, in the very least, shut up and quit whining about it.

Thanks,

Jim


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To: Jim Robinson
I'm one of two known Freepers in Spokane. Please keep this site going as we need you! I want to establish a Spokane Freepers group to anyone interested. Freepmail me and we'll start up after the holidays. God bless you Jim, you're doing the Lord's work!
2,421 posted on 11/30/2001 12:11:23 PM PST by Lucky2
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To: Z2
and saved in a safe place

No kidding? Will Geraldo be looking for it?

2,422 posted on 11/30/2001 12:17:21 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Z2
and saved in a safe place

No kidding? Will Geraldo be looking for it?

2,423 posted on 11/30/2001 12:18:23 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Howlin
Above: Inspector Harry Callahan and Arator communicate with a female passerby in Dallas, TX.

Please tell me those guys are NOT from my beloved hometown!

2,424 posted on 11/30/2001 12:19:00 PM PST by Tex-Con-Man
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To: Inspector Harry Callahan
Inspector: What was the situation with you? I've been looking over freerepublic for a long time and it seems to me that it should either go away, or become a place where free speech is protected, versus throwing people off that are not in lock step with the views of the few who actually run this view. Someone like Laz, who takes up so much bandwidth that he should pay 1/2 of the monthly freerepublic expense, is one of those people who have more than one vote. 90% of all posts are meaningless, virtually 100% of all replies are responsive to a meaningless post, but as long as there is no disagreement all is O.K.

I think people should pay by the word to off-set expenses at freerepublic. That way, perhaps only meaningful articles and replies would be posted and it would not be necessary to wade through all the garbage posted to this site to get to some insight that may be helpful.

Although there are apparently a lot of members, as cited by Robinson, I'll bet that 5% of the membership post 75% to 80% of articles and replies. There are some members that post 40-50 replies each day! What about a maximum number of posts?

That's the problem with this site, no standards, and no free speech. I can see why people get upset.

2,425 posted on 11/30/2001 12:22:33 PM PST by Isaiah Lucifer
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To: Tex-Con-Man
The picture is from "the Onion". It's title is "Disadvantaged Men".
2,426 posted on 11/30/2001 12:23:55 PM PST by Helix
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To: Z2
can't you read? LOL
2,427 posted on 11/30/2001 12:25:19 PM PST by TLBSHOW
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To: Isaiah Lucifer; Howlin
Howlin, isn't it amazing how these brand-new people show up to criticize someone who has created a successful forum?

Isaiah, please join Jethro Tull in sand-pounding. You don't even know what you are talking about.

2,428 posted on 11/30/2001 12:26:40 PM PST by Miss Marple
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To: Z2; A Navy Vet; Jim Robinson; Arator; Inspector Harry Callahan; OWK; chuck allen; All
Like I said ... just my opinion and I will back right out of that discussion by just saying that it would seem that the authorization would need to come from both client and attorney ... but I am certainly not versed.

This whole thing is a sad, sordid affair where people's ego's, their pride, their own agendas and quite a bit of vitriol are all coming together to create a bad situation.

For what it is worth, though Jim and I have not agreed on all matters and I have experienced my share of "banning" and "penatly boxes" through what I too felt were misunderstandings and inaccurate information (and most of the people who were the source of that misnformnation have sense fallin on their own swords WRT FR) ... I believe FR is an extremely good thing and I have worked to insure that it doesn't get me down or tempt me to start infighting.

FR, despite all else, is a modern Town Square and unfiltered source for information and discussion for anyone willing to look for it.

In that regard, I believe that JR is honestly trying his best to fight the enemies that are lined up against our Constitutional Republic and the liberties it is supposed to protect, and he has my support in that fight all the way, irrespective of whether Jim sees it "my way" or not.

I believe that a lot of people who, for whatever reason, become disaffected and antagonistic towards FR and Jim, end up walking and talking right past the points I just made and then take off in a huff on their own agenda trying to force JR and FR to pursue things in the manner they feel best.

Well, Jim states pretty up front that the site is his personal property, what his goals are, that it is run by donations and that people are free to donate or not. So, from my perspective folks should either accept his ground rules, however they may disagree with them, or feel them misapplied ... or start their own thing to compliment the fight. What is happening with these types of dog fights is dampening and destroying the overall fight for our liberties and works against us all IMHO.

Oh well, now I went and got on my own soap box and said a lot more on this thread than I ever wanted to anyhow.

2,429 posted on 11/30/2001 12:28:06 PM PST by Jeff Head
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To: Howlin
Isaiah Lucifer is a liberal. He wants the C-SPAN system for posts...you know, everyone gets the same number of posts per day, regardless of how interesting or interested they are. LOL!!
2,430 posted on 11/30/2001 12:29:14 PM PST by Miss Marple
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To: Isaiah Lucifer
That's the problem with this site, no standards, and no free speech

I don't blame you for leaving.

2,431 posted on 11/30/2001 12:30:38 PM PST by AppyPappy
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To: AppyPappy
ROTFL!
2,432 posted on 11/30/2001 12:31:29 PM PST by firewalk
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To: Miss Marple
#2420: Dear Miss Marple, about the abuse button...

A true conservative would never hit the abuse button under the assumption that management failed to act on a perceived posting violation.

No, they'd either challenge the poster in the public arena of ideas or silently slip into the night.

I find it interesting that Pubbies claim to desire free market competition, but when political competition is presented, they become the ultimate protectionists.

Sad stuff...

PS: I gave Dubya an “A +” for his wartime leadership.

2,433 posted on 11/30/2001 12:31:57 PM PST by Jethro Tull
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To: Solson
Maybe it came from Heather.
2,434 posted on 11/30/2001 12:32:20 PM PST by AppyPappy
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To: Howlin
Uh, I think Harry is the one pulling his crotch. I'm the tongue wagger. LOL.
2,435 posted on 11/30/2001 12:32:52 PM PST by Arator
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To: Isaiah Lucifer
"I think people should pay by the word"

"That's the problem with this site. . . . no free speech."

So paying by the word is your definition of "free" speech?

2,436 posted on 11/30/2001 12:37:29 PM PST by TheHeterodoxConservative
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To: Inspector Harry Callahan
My error.
2,437 posted on 11/30/2001 12:40:10 PM PST by A Navy Vet
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To: AppyPappy
it didn't.
2,438 posted on 11/30/2001 12:40:34 PM PST by Solson
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To: Isaiah Lucifer
Every forum has a standard for posting, that would be like going to Dem Underground and posting conservitive articles, you could not get away with it. The best thing is to start your own forum, be creative, get some ba//s, try it on your own. Lets Roll-----
2,439 posted on 11/30/2001 12:41:11 PM PST by jdontom
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To: Tex-Con-Man
Heck, no. As far as I know, the live in Cyberspace; either there of Area 51.
2,440 posted on 11/30/2001 12:44:59 PM PST by Howlin
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