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Hijackers' bodies set Bush grisly ethical question
The Times (U.K.) ^ | 10/06/2001 | DAMIAN WHITWORTH

Posted on 10/05/2001 4:51:32 PM PDT by Pokey78

IN carefully numbered plastic bags in refrigerated trucks parked at the mortuary at Dover Air Force base in Delaware sit human remains that have presented the Bush Adminstration with an ethical problem.

US investigators told The Times that they had certainly recovered, if not yet identified, the bodies of several of the suicide hijackers, prompting a debate over how to dispose of what is left of the most hated men in America.

The excavation of the Pentagon and Pennsylvania crash sites was completed this week after forensics experts concluded that they had removed all body parts from both scenes. Officials said that although many of the remains were fragmented and charred, DNA tests would eventually identify all of the victims. The bodies of the men who killed them would also be identified, if only by a process of elimination.

The Administration is worried that if it gives the bodies to their families to bury there will be a public outcry. There are also concerns that other Islamic extremists would regard their graves as shrines.

The remains from the plans that crash into Pentagon and in Pennsylvania are being organised at the mortuary at Dover. Some have been identified by traditional methods, such as fingerprints, dental records and other distinguishing features.

Already hundreds of fragments have been taken in test tubes to the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology (AFIP) laboratories in Rockville, Maryland, for DNA testing. The institute identified all 230 victims of TWA 800 flight, after that aircraft exploded and the fragments plunged into Long Island Sound in 1996.

Paul Sledzik, the forensic anthropologist who led the search for the 44 passengers, crew and hijackers on board Flight 93, which crashed in Pennsylvania, said that he was confident “we are likely to get 44 unique DNA profiles”. Scientists will use genetic material taken from the victims’ possessions, including razors and toothbrushes, or from their relatives, to make DNA matches that reveal the identities of the victims.

The FBI is believed to be extremely anxious to identify the bodies of the hijackers, especially as there are still doubts about some of their identities and there could be trials of other conspirators.

If relatives are persuaded to co-operate in providing reference samples, or the hijackers have left behind genetic material on possessions, the FBI believes that they could be identified.

Even if the identities are not clarified, the authorities will be left with the remains of nine hijackers from the two sites.

There is a precedent for handing over the remains of even the most notorious figures in American life. The body of Gamil el-Batouty, the co-pilot of EgyptAir Flight 990, who apparently committed suicide by crashing the aircraft into the Atlantic in 1999, was quietly returned to his family in Egypt last year for a private burial.

Even the nation’s most loathed murderers are allowed burial after execution.

Chris Kelly of the AFIP indicated that the authorities were reluctant to consider releasing the hijackers’ bodies. “We are not quite sure what will happen to them,” he said, but “we doubt very much we are going to be making an effort to reach family members over there.”

A source close to the investigation said: “There is this idea that if America is a country of justice it should not be seen to stop the mothers of even the worst monsters from burying their sons, but people would be outraged if these men were handed over for a Muslim burial.”

The Justice Department declined to return calls requesting comment on what it planned to do with the hijackers’ bodies. In the short term the remains are likely to be held for several years, in case of legal proceedings.

Mohammed Atta, the suspected ringleader of the hijackers who died in the first plane to hit the World Trade Centre, laid out strict instructions for his funeral in his will, revealed this week.

The likelihood of any sort of burial of his body is, however, vastly diminished by the difficulties of retrieving remains at the World Trade Centre. Of the more than 5,000 who died there, fewer than 400 bodies have been identified.


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To: 185JHP
Sell little packets of their ashes on eBay and let us determine what to do with their bodies. Give the money earned through the auctions to the victims' families.
181 posted on 10/05/2001 9:28:31 PM PDT by Theo
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To: Pokey78
Wow -- interesting question.

Any hijacker remains should just quietly be disposed of at an unspecified landfill, or put on one of the barges and dumped at sea, along with the rest of the garbage.

182 posted on 10/05/2001 9:28:33 PM PDT by JZdiablo
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To: Straight Vermonter; lds23
That was my first thought.

Second, actually...

183 posted on 10/05/2001 9:33:44 PM PDT by packrat01
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To: Pokey78
Pork coffins.
184 posted on 10/05/2001 9:39:18 PM PDT by lawgirl
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To: Pokey78
How about feed them to the pigs! Fitting, no?
185 posted on 10/05/2001 9:49:04 PM PDT by brat
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To: william clark
1) Identify and seperate the remains of each terrorist.
2) Feed each set of remains to a different pig.
3) Write the name of the ingested terrorist on each pig.
4) Insert time-delay detonation device into pig's anus.
5) Strap on parachute to pigs.
6) Air drop over Kabul.
186 posted on 10/05/2001 9:55:12 PM PDT by reagan_fanatic
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To: Heisenburger
That was my first thought.. LOL
187 posted on 10/05/2001 10:15:01 PM PDT by LUVYA DUBYA 2000
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To: reagan_fanatic
One of the best. However, I hate to contaminate an innocent pig with terrorist offal. On the contrary, thanks to factory farming we have huge quantities of pig offal, pig urine, and pig poop in specified places. Mix the Muslim remains liberally with the above and rain the mess down over their heroine poppy fields. Remember, wherever Islam goes, death, dismemberment, and mayhem follow. They must love it, so give them what they love.
188 posted on 10/05/2001 10:45:07 PM PDT by Mrs. Kosh
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To: william clark
Guilty Yankee fan motives at work here. The Yankee fans would take care of the details :-)
189 posted on 10/05/2001 11:05:05 PM PDT by LisaFab
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To: goodieD
"I do believe there's an actual brand of dog food on the market called 'Atta Boy'"

There used to be a diet candy named "Aids".

I suspect "Atta Boy" will shortly end up in the same pit of marketing perdition.

190 posted on 10/05/2001 11:05:17 PM PDT by Don Joe
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To: Robert357
"I think any attempt to desicrate would just reflect badly upon "civilization." The approach history suggests appears reasonable and does not reflect badly upon us."

With that attitude, we're finished.

Hell, why not bury them with full military honors? I mean, if you want to appear civilized to these barbarians, then isn't that what's called for, if we really view their attack as an act of war?

The only thing these animals respect is force. Overwhelming force. Anything short of that will merely bolster their confidence, and assure them that we're a target that's safe to attack.

191 posted on 10/05/2001 11:08:56 PM PDT by Don Joe
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To: Pokey78
How about cremate them and the first bombers that fly over Osoma drop the ashes with the bombs.
192 posted on 10/05/2001 11:19:16 PM PDT by Texas Mom
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To: Pokey78
Where's the pig skin?
193 posted on 10/05/2001 11:27:37 PM PDT by BunnySlippers
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To: johnnyjumpstart
...the body of John Wilkes Booth after he killed President Lincoln. Fearing his body would be a shrine to the south, the Army dumped him into a river so that his remains would be lost forever.

Ah... Those were the days. This article got me thinking about another of their hypocracies. Aren't Muslims, by Islamic law, supposed to be buried within 24 hours of death? I think their remains should conveniently dissappear like Kennedy's autopsy records.

195 posted on 10/05/2001 11:56:50 PM PDT by GVnana
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To: Pokey78
What's the problem? These guys have never heard of the Atlantic Ocean and fish?
196 posted on 10/06/2001 12:14:02 AM PDT by sneakypete
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To: Pokey78
Not a problem. When the "home" countries or parents of these swine ask for their remains, just tell them we'd like to oblige, but the deceased have already become part of biowar research program...then thank them profusely for the contributions their sons have made to our research.
197 posted on 10/06/2001 12:19:33 AM PDT by Lion's Cub
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To: all
This thread, or at least 90% of the posts, should be pulled.

We are in the light, they're the ones in the darkness. If the proper return/disposal of the enemies remains goes ahead and just one enemy raghead somewhere in the future responds with an ounce of decency toward one of our fallen, it will be payment in full with interest. I pray that all our fallen grunts, spooks, pilots and spec forces combatants return home without post mortem mutilation by those enemy ______ barbarians. But I can't help thinking it will require a bone fide miracle to prevent said mutilation.

We're dealing with absolute scum (kamikaze mind set).

198 posted on 10/06/2001 12:36:52 AM PDT by rocknotsand
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To: dubya_wins_again, xm177e2
Don't desecrate them in any way, but bury them in a secret location, and tell absolutely nobody, not even the families, where they are.

That misses the point. If their belief system tells them that their "martyr's" death will gain them a place in heaven, then fear of death or punishment is not something that will dissuade them from that action. However, if that same belief system tells them that being deep-fried in hog fat will keep them out of heaven, no matter how "heroic" their death for Islam, then you have succeeded in giving them a reason rooted in their own belief system for not engaging in that behavior. Let it be known far and wide that not only will the remains of the hijackers be deep-fried in hog fat, the bodies of all those killed in battle will also be similarly treated.

"Desecrating" their bodies would be a prudent thing to do. It would piss off a bunch of living people, but it would keep those whose suicidal actions are based on those beliefs from acting.

So let's imagine a recruiting session now,
"So, little Ashraf, if you give your life in the service of Allah you will immediately enter the gates of Paradise, there to have all your pleasures indulged: women, virgin women, wine, etc., etc.. Unless, of course, the infidel should get hold of your remains and deep fry you in hog fat, in which case, the whole deal's off, though your death, now completely pointless from your point of view, will still advance our cause--I mean, advance the cause of Allah. So what do you say? Can I help you cinch up that backpack full of dynamite?"

199 posted on 10/06/2001 5:21:39 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: aruanan
"Desecrating" their bodies would be a prudent thing to do. It would piss off a bunch of living people, but it would keep those whose suicidal actions are based on those beliefs from acting.

You've done a perfect job of summing up the psycops part of this battle. Even if we don't actually desecrate the bodies, the doubt this would place in their heads would only help us.

200 posted on 10/06/2001 6:41:42 AM PDT by VA Advogado
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