Posted on 07/13/2024 5:06:55 AM PDT by Haddit
Do you not think America should have supported Ukraine in?
Mike Benz Umm.It's a good question.Umm.It's it's strange for you know, if, if I'm hesitating, it's because.To answer that question, there are so many layers that come before it that I haven't even really honestly had to think about where I actually fall on the underlying issue because the process is so corrupted, which is to say that anybody who is against it is targeted by the state it's effectively.We something called FISA, which has been joked by one of our senators as being, you know, the.Federal investigators stalking Americans. It's basically a way that we live through Russia. Gate this thing where anybody who supported a day taunt with Russia.Um, was, you know, was effectively deemed to be a Putin puppet. And then you could watch a federal investigation, you could bring in indictments and domestic spy craft on, you know, Trump's whole campaign because of his policy of neutrality with, with Russia effectively and or his in his NATO skepticism. They were.Able to argue, you know, that he was effectively a Russian puppet so they spied on his campaign.
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How come you smokescreen and jump to the American border when we were discussing Russian aggression? Again, what have you done about the border issue that you pretend to care about? Even way back in the early ‘80s, I was supporting Palmer Stacy’s Immigration Control Foundation. You stay on Ukraine threads supporting communist aggression.
You’re right about one thing, I am emotional about American security and Ukraine. You are what CS Lewis called, “Men Without Chests”. You have no heart or soul. And you think Ukraine has no chance. How Tory of you. Well Mister, it may take a while, but Ukraine will take back its land. Ukraine has already shocked the world by fighting the eleven-time-zone country to a standstill. The Russian economy stinks and it is getting worse.
When the city of Kherson was liberated from the Russians, there was great rejoicing among the Ukrainians that suffered the Russian occupation in that city. You Russian stooges have no idea what really matters.
I agree
No The ukrainians started this conflict with the encouragement of BO and George Soros.
We have more in common with the Russians than we do with the filthy fornicating ukrainians.
Russian strippers are crazy. Uke stripper are just nuts.
Agree. The globalist are looting and choking America off...They've bankrupted America by playing world's policeman...This was all part of the plan...
The globalist have zero need for superpowers, independent sovereign free countries, borders etc. This is why our foreign polices have become country killing policies of sabotage. It's all meant to bring America to it's knees... And they're doing a fantastic job.
I watched the interview of John Mearsheimer that you posted.
But I was looking for who they blamed for the Ukraine War.
I agree with most of what you have posted.
I think that this Ukraine/Russia War is a regime change war to replace Putin.
Google was created September 4, 1998, Menlo Park, CA and has an allegiance to the CIA and NSA. They determine what gets promoted and what gets demoted.
A judge ordered the intel agencies to quit promoting or demoting what the social media was allowed to post. The Supreme Court rescinded that judgment and allowed the CIA, NSA and FBI to dictate what was searchable to the American people.
9/14/2023
https://www.theepochtimes.com/us/us-supreme-court-halts-order-blocking-biden-admins-contact-with-social-media-firms-5491801
Google has its origins in “BackRub”, a research project that was begun in 1996 by Larry Page and Sergey Brin when they were both PhD students at Stanford University
Brin and Page were also part of a computer science research team at Stanford University that received funding from Massive Digital Data Systems (MDDS), a program managed for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and the National Security Agency (NSA) by large intelligence and military contractors.
How is this possible?
The liberals stole the election from Bernie Sanders with no repercussions.
Hillary’s campaign and our intelligence community colluded with Russian agents and the 5 Eye European spies to frame our future President.
Our intelligence community used that fabricated dossier to gain FISA Warrants to spy on the opposition candidate for President.
Hillary’s Presidential run was funded in part by $20 million from the Saudis.
We have a list of liberals that were backed by globalist George Soros
https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/recips.php?id=D000000306&cycle=2016
and to fulfill their obligations to this globalist they will not support voter ID or the wall and they sanction sanctuary cities.
They give tax refunds to illegal aliens that never paid taxes.
They give their kids citizenship.
They support birthright citizenship.
They will not support E-Verify.
We invaded Afghanistan in 2001.
We invaded Iraq in 2003.
President Obama gets elected President and hires Hillary as Secretary of State.
Tunisia, Egypt, Libya and Syria get involved in civil wars in 2011.
President Obama backed the rebels.
We were in those countries backing the rebels with our CIA operatives.
Our ambassador to Libya was killed in Benghazi Libya in 2012.
That satellite facility was in a port city shipping weapons to Syrian rebels.
A declassified October 2012 Defense Intelligence Agency report revealed that the shipment in late August 2012 had included 500 sniper rifles, 100 RPG (rocket propelled grenade launchers) along with 300 RPG rounds and 400 howitzers. Each arms shipment encompassed as many as ten shipping containers, it reported, each of which held about 48,000 pounds of cargo.
That suggests a total payload of up to 250 tons of weapons per shipment. Even if the CIA had organized only one shipment per month, the arms shipments would have totaled 2,750 tons of arms bound ultimately for Syria from October 2011 through August 2012. More likely it was a multiple of that figure.
http://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Pgs.-1-3-2-3-from-JW-v-DOD-and-State-14-812-DOD-Release-2015-04-10-final-version1.pdf
Our CIA had a program called Timber Sycamore where we trained rebels, gave them money, weapons and tactical support.
CIA Directors:
Leon Panetta February 13, 2009-June 30, 2011
Michael Morell July 1, 2011-September 6, 2011
David Petraeus September 6, 2011-November 9, 2012
Michael Morell November 9, 2012-March 8, 2013
John Brennan March 8, 2013-January 20, 2017
All are Never Trumpers and routinely bad mouth our President.
This article (subscription) from 2016 explains the CIA’s Timber Sycamore project and the training of rebels. It also shows the close ties that John Brennan, who was head of the CIA in 2013 had with the arms dealer Prince Bandar. Adam Schiff , the most vocal anti-Trumper is also friends with Prince Bandar and Schiff is on the GO8 congressional oversight committee. He is involved in everything our intelligence community does.
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/24/world/middleeast/us-relies-heavily-on-saudi-money-to-support-syrian-rebels.html
Liberals scream Freedom of the Press when our intelligence agencies and politicians leak classified documents and private conversations to the press.
Julian Assange has been incarcerated in HM Prison Belmarsh in London since April 2019, as the United States government’s extradition effort is contested in the British courts.
His emails were mostly from around 2011 to 2013.
Seth Rich, a Democrat working for the Democrats, gets shot twice by thieves that didn’t steal anything.
Julian Assange gives us a cryptic message suggesting he was receiving hacked emails from Seth Rich.
Photos place Seth Rich the night of his murder in a bar with the Awan Brothers from Pakistan.
The Awan IT guys that had access to Democrat computers and didn’t have security clearances.
They worked for the Democrats for 13 years.
Debbie Wasserman Schultz didn’t even fire him after she was told he was being investigated.
Imran Awan accessed California’s Attorney General, XAVIER BECERRA’S computer over FIVE THOUSAND times and THEN, if THAT weren’t bad enough, MR. BECERRA turned right around and attempted to supply a FAKE server to investigators.
Experts say so much data was stolen from the Democrats that it had to have been done by somebody with direct access to their computers. The number was way too much to have downloaded in a hack.
An ex-cop finds computers from the DNC in the Awan’s rental house.
The Awan’s owned a car dealership suspected of being used to launder terrorist money for Hamas.
Yet, the liberals insist that the Russians hacked the Democrats at the request of Donald Trump in 2016.
This is just insane.
Hillary Clinton addresses the Alliance of Youth Movement.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcBG7B6sgOk
U.S. Department of State
Published on Oct 16, 2009
The Obama administration sponsored a seminar to tell young people from all over the world how to use social media to create peaceful protests. This is before the Arab Spring.
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Facebook And the Alliance of Youth Movements Summit
By Nick O’Neill November 18, 2008.
Jared Cohen, a member of the U.S. Secretary of State’s Policy Planning Staff, posted an article on Facebook’s blog.
http://www.adweek.com/digital/facebook-and-the-alliance-of-youth-movements-summit/
O’Neill continues:
Inspired by this change, “Facebook, Access 360 Media, Columbia Law School, Google, Howcast, MTV, YouTube, and the U.S. Department of State are bringing leaders of 17 pioneering organizations from 15 countries together with technology experts next month for the first-ever conclave to empower youth against violence and oppression through the use of the latest online tools. ” The event is called the Alliance of Youth Movements Summit.
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Cohen said:
“We are seeing movements across the world use a diverse set of technologies. The simplest is Television, where we are seeing groups that have the means put their videos and images on screen in the form of commercials. But we are seeing a lot of activities using mobile phones and the Internet.”
“With mobile phones, there is a tactic called “smart mobbing,” where mobile phones are used to assemble young people around a cause. On the Internet, we are seeing online social networks like Facebook, MySpace, Bebo, and Orkut serve as important forums for young people to assemble together, build a cause, a mission, and organize events.”
Jared Cohen and Al-Jazeera
There is an email from Hillary Clinton to Monica Hanley on 8/3/2012 with the subject Syria.
In that email Jared Cohen talks of his new tool to keep track of Syrian government defections. He mentions that he will work with Al-Jazeera, the largest Mid East news source headquartered in Qatar.
https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/12166#efmAMoAbj
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Jared Cohen still works for Google. He created a company with Google’s CEO Eric Schmidt called Jigsaw that will censor conservative views faster than any human can and place them in Facebook jail.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jigsaw_(company)
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Here is a 9/12/2012 email from Wikileaks detailing all the riots Hillary created.
https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/16792
“From: Huma Abedin To: Hillary Clinton Date: 2012-09-12 22:21 Subject:
I’m giving you credit for inspiring the “peaceful” protests.”
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Eric Schmidt was an advisor to Hillary Clinton’s campaign and an informal advisor to Obama’s.
Schmidt was on the White House Council for Science and Technology.
If you Google Eric Schmidt’s name along with the name of most any rabid journalist you see they attend the same functions.
“Eric Schmidt” “Rachel Maddow”
“Eric Schmidt” “Chris Matthews”
“Eric Schmidt” “John McCain”
“Eric Schmidt” “John Holdren”
“Eric Schmidt” jigsaw
“Eric Schmidt” “Alliance Youth Movement”
“Eric Schmidt” “Van Jones”
“Eric Schmidt” “Drummond Pike”
Other names in creating those civil wars are:
Wael Ghonim
Jared Cohen
Ahmed Saleh
“Eric Schmidt” “Politics of Trust Network”
I don’t think many people realize how much our media is controlled.
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President Obama started those civil wars, created the hostilities, supported the rebels, trained them, armed them, gave them air support and 2,000 on the ground special forces tactical support and overthrew Egypt and Libya.
Syria survived but over 600,000 people lost their lives and 6 million people became refugees.
They only had 18.27 million people in 2017.
And the liberals are going after our President Trump.
What Russian propagandists (Sputnik, RT, TASS) are so successfully pushing on ignorant Americans is 1930s style isolationism. Which is fine if you are happy living with a 19th century level of technology as a third class nation.
We live today in a fully globalized economy, and have to protect it, all of it, if we're going to continue to enjoy our high standard of living. The fascist Russian kleptocracy that has evolved under Putin hates us, and in their own words wants to destroy us, (or get us to commit suicide), so they can take control. "Russky Mir" is not an empty slogan. "From Lisbon to Vladivostok" is the Eurasianists first objective. China is an enemy of freedom, but at least rational. These guys are simply crazy.
Not that global Islam is any different.
It's a three-front war we are faced with, none of which is of our own making, except insofar as we have been too lazy, ignorant, and self-centered to push back on it sooner.
-——1930s style isolationism. -——
There we have it. You are precisely correct in providing us what is the definitive post on the subject
I can only hope others here will read it and move from a condition of ignorance to a state of enlightenment
You’re no bad boy, merely an ignorant isolationist pawn
From the outset, it was a money-laundering venue for the Democrats, and quite a few Republicans too. There were never any good prospects for a gain in American national interests and absolute certainty of provoking Russia.
We are there now. We can still defeat Russia in the Ukraine, but the cost will be escalation to nuclear war. We might even "win" such a contest. That is definitely not worth the cost.
It is time for Ukraine to surrender. They lost. They can fight to the last Ukrainian, and they still have lost.
It has been an interesting testing ground for new battle tactics if you can ignore the horrendous loss of men which is the price of such tests. Drone attack forces have drastically and permanently changed the tactics of war. Generals in all armies are slowly realizing that if you can spot armored vehicles and infantry within a drone coverage area, they are dead.
Hypersonic missiles can destroy any fortification if the location is known. Precision artillery can do the same. Only the coverage areas are different.
All other factors being equal, the side that has the most men and is willing to sacrifice the most men will win. That is one old lesson about war that has never changed.
We need to cut our losses in the Ukraine war so we can get setup for the next war. There is always a next war.
No. We have no business being involved in another go round in an ancient Eastern European blood feud.
These are two thug regimes who have a long history of going at it.
Not our circus, not our monkeys.
The fact that you do not see the connection doesn't surprise me in the least.
Let's see if I can help you see the connection, not that I am under the illusion that I will succeed, because connecting the dots is definitely not your forte.
You believe that Biden is sincere that he wants to protect Ukraine's borders, while he throws our borders wide open with no vetting whatsoever. Do you get it now? I didn't think so.
What he wants is a long protracted war to profit off of the military-industrial complex, along with laundered money from Ukraine.
You’re right about one thing, I am emotional about American security and Ukraine. You are what CS Lewis called, “Men Without Chests”. You have no heart or soul. And you think Ukraine has no chance. How Tory of you. Well Mister, it may take a while, but Ukraine will take back its land. Ukraine has already shocked the world by fighting the eleven-time-zone country to a standstill. The Russian economy stinks and it is getting worse.
You inly think you have a heart as you are willing to see massive deaths on both sides to forward you goal regardless what negatives it brings to the world at large. You are what I call a hypocrite who believes his cause is righteous.
You claim you are emotional about this nation's border. Sadly our problems are not limited to just our border. Our problems are far more reaching that that of the border.
For example we have a totally fiat currency that no longer is even desired by foreign nations. That's why Saudi Arabia refused to renew the Petro Dollars agreement. It's no longer in their best interest. So, now they are selling oil without using the U.S. dollar as the currency to buy their oil. Spending billons to save Ukraine only continues to weaken the U.S. dollar even further.
Let's pivot to our schools, that no longer teaches our children for the future of this nation to continue as a competitive nation. Instead, they are now engaging in creating mentally ill children to become more mentally ill by filling them with transgenderism, to question their own gender as opposed to the knowledge that there are only two sexes as far as humans are concerned.
They are teaching our children that America is fundamentally racist to turn our children against their own nation.
Many others are being radicalized to hate their own parents, just like the Nazis turned children against parents who were not solidly behind the Fuhrer Adolf Hitler.
Emphasis on our children has become one of sexualization, instead of education. Which has opened the door to the most nastiest forms of pornography. Drugs & sex are too embraced to further destroy this nation.
Out corporations have become so compromised that people taking planes has now become a new form of Russian Roulette.
We have decimated our industrial base that was responsible for building our strong middle class that has now been decimated for the all mighty dollar with no concern as to what this has done to our society.
Our own nation's military is being decimated, by ideologies that destroy cohesiveness, as well as, military readiness. Our military is no longer the effective military that we once enjoyed. Because Democrats have been purposely destroying it from within. We no longer enjoy cutting edge military weaponry either.
I could go on & on, but I'll end with corruption & evil that enveloped this nation from top to bottom, and you are within that group that is helping in the destruction by your divided loyalties. Decide which nation is most important to you and move there so your focus is not divided. Because you cannot save our nation & Ukraine. You are obviously clueless as to how close this nation is to collapsing, because you erroneously believe our nation is invincible because we are a righteous nation.
Sadly, it's just one more fantasy that controls your thinking, because as I have stated over & over you lack critical thinking skills, and to make it even worse, you also lack common sense. That makes you the monkey. Time for you to step up to human being status.
You Russian stooges have no idea what really matters. M
First off I am not a Russian anything, I am an American first supporter. Something I have told you repeatedly, but you refuse to accept that [pint. So, you are partial correct that I haven't a clue when it comes to Ukraine, because I am focused on the U.S. only.
However, I would like to say I feel for the Ukrainian people & would prefer to see Ukraine stop their hemorrhaging and save what they still have. We can no longer save them without destroying ourselves in the process, and I am not willing to make that trade.
Nope we inflicted a war of attrition and destoyed Ukraine.
The answer is historic over centuries. They cray cray.
“...I would like to say I feel for the Ukrainian people & would prefer to see Ukraine stop their hemorrhaging and save what they still have...”
I would like to see them recapture what the Russians now call “Lenin Plaza” and give it its real name back: LIBERTY PLAZA. You and your hammer and sickle flag wavers are freedom-hating communists to the hilt.
We shouldn’t be funding anyone’s war...
So, our government is using taxpayer money to buy military equipment and ordinance from our defense industries to send to Ukraine? That stinks of neocon shenanigans and kickbacks galore. Ukraine’s one of the most corrupted (by politicians) countries there is. How do we even know they are really our friends? It’s like a horrid wag-the-dog that’s been going on far too long.
No, I want this to end but it doesn’t look like there’s any end in sight. Why is that? It’s exactly what you’d expect from our govt and the industrial military complex to pull off.
Sorry, if I do not share your concern for Ukraine, but that doesn't give you the right to impugn me by erroneously claiming that I am a Russia supporting person.
The truth is I support only one nation above all else, and that nation is the U.S., not Ukraine.
But you are a think-headed pea-brain that refuses to accept let alone allow that reality to sink in.
Here's a post you should read, as he went all out to point out the abuses that have weakened this nation. Perhaps he might open your blinkered eyes that make you fail to see how close this nation is to collapse:
Great job Haddit. I agree with everything you listed. 🙂👍
I had responded to your post but when I tried to bring that tab back up, I accidently deleted that tab.
I don’t buy that you give a flip about America. If you read Russian social med and what the Duma says about America you would know who the KGB boy is really after. I think you know and you are just on the Comintern’s side.
cool story bro
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