Ukraine was a whole country before then. Look at in now.
Posted on 07/13/2024 5:06:55 AM PDT by Haddit
Do you not think America should have supported Ukraine in?
Mike Benz Umm.It's a good question.Umm.It's it's strange for you know, if, if I'm hesitating, it's because.To answer that question, there are so many layers that come before it that I haven't even really honestly had to think about where I actually fall on the underlying issue because the process is so corrupted, which is to say that anybody who is against it is targeted by the state it's effectively.We something called FISA, which has been joked by one of our senators as being, you know, the.Federal investigators stalking Americans. It's basically a way that we live through Russia. Gate this thing where anybody who supported a day taunt with Russia.Um, was, you know, was effectively deemed to be a Putin puppet. And then you could watch a federal investigation, you could bring in indictments and domestic spy craft on, you know, Trump's whole campaign because of his policy of neutrality with, with Russia effectively and or his in his NATO skepticism. They were.Able to argue, you know, that he was effectively a Russian puppet so they spied on his campaign.
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Interesting thread. Thanks to all posters.
Then grab a rifle and go on over to Ukraine, tough guy. Don’t try to force others to fund and die for your foreign adventures.
Blah, blah, blah.
I speak the truth, something that you refuse to face. Keep killing the Ukrainians for landmass.
As for John Mearsheimer being an Ivy League pseudo intellectual zip wad shows that you never bothered to learn anything about him, or unbeknownst to me, West Point has become an Ivy League school. Even if it might currently be on par with an Ivy League school, not exactly a compliment to West Point, it certainly wasn't when he attamed West Point.
When he was 17, Mearsheimer enlisted in the U.S. Army. After one year as an enlisted man, he obtained an appointment to the United States Military Academy at West Point, which he attended from 1966 to 1970.
I love your projection mister emotionally brilliant. 🤣
“It was automatically determined that Russia was the aggressor”
Yes. When one nation invades another the invading nation is considered the aggressor. Putin invaded Ukraine. Ukraine did not invade Russia. Russia was and is the agressor. That’s logics, not politics>
“However, if Russia had been threatening the U.S. in similar fashion using a proxy”
Ukraine is not our “proxy war”. Putin manufactured his proxy war against Ukraine in the Donbas region years before he mounted his full feldge invasion, in an attempt to weaken Urkaine and as part of trying to subvert its political system to produce leaders who would be pliable by Putin.
“In Russia’s situation it was not just a single nation, it was a collection of nations known as NATO that was presenting the threat.’
How so?
Not nonsense at all. The globalists have long wanted access to Russia’s mineral wealth. They just didn’t count on Russia being so resilient.
“Not nonsense at all. The globalists have long wanted access to Russia’s mineral wealth.”
More nonsense. They’ve had access and Russia has been willing to sell it.
They wanted it for themselves.
Klaus Schwab in the WEF says he wants to own the world and you say he doesn’t mean it. You must also believe that Hillary Clinton had your best interests in mind.
I guess you don’t realize that Cornell is an Ivy League School. You don’t realize a lot of things. He has a PhD from Cornell which I put about one degree above Dr. Jill’s Ed Degree.
“Klaus Schwab in the WEF says he wants to own the world”
He can’t.
It is whether a cabal of mass murderers should make a lot of money playing World Cop.
Those running the Biden regime wanted the present proxy war and set it off by teasing NATO membership for Ukraine and pushing Ukraine to go on the offensive and try to wipe those in Donetsk and Lugansk off the face of the earth.
Ukraine was a whole country before then. Look at in now.
Notable comment: “There’s a gun to my head.”
Regardless, zeepers gonna whine.
You bring in noise by saying the Jill Biden's degree is only one step below that of John Mearsheimer. As if that has any bearing whatsoever in this discussion, but then again that is another tactic of yours to being in unrelated worthless arguments.
So, what are your credentials, oh that's right you are married to a Ukrainian woman, and you have been there. Which means you have an emotional quotient to the discussion.
My credentials are no better than yours, but I am a citizen of this nation, and I do not see any national security issue regarding Ukraine for my nation. Therefore I refuse to support the conflict where I see no positives for this nation, but I see plenty of negatives for this nation.
A I have said before Ukraine's best option right now is to engage in peace talks with Russia.
Check Burisma board
Both Republican and Democrats kids taking money. Including Romney
The State department gives money to Ukraine, the Ukraine government gives to Burisma, that pays politician kids and outside accounts, that goes back to Delaware trust funds.
Not complicated
So, Putin/Russian overt and covert actions to (1) try to assassinate Ukraine leaders, (2) create a proxy war situation in the Donbas, (3) subvert the democratic processes in Ukraine to get a Ukriane leader pliable to Putin demands, all meant NOTHING and required no response by Ukraine or anyone else? Nonsense.
NOT AN AMERICAN PROBLEM. Obama playing around there, and people laundering money there, made it our problem. The US, and especially the 18 year old kids, lives shouldn’t have to pay a bill for someone else’s games.
I have a Masters, journalism experience, military experience, computer assisted battle simulation database/site lead experience-Fort Benning, and contacts all over Ukraine, and personal experience on the ground in Ukraine. You have nothing but your Moscow-directed BS. You are n0thing but the KGB’s useful idiot who laps up Bolshevik propaganda. True conservatives are willing to fight for freedom. You are a surrender monkey and a coward in more ways than one.
Wrong we started the belligerent behavior towards Russia. In 2008 Putin stated very clearly that Georgia & Ukraine were red lines as far as Putin & Russia were concerned with regards to NATO expansion.
In 2014 we executed a color revolution that eventually led to a coup d'Ă©tat of the duly elected Ukrainian President, Viktor Yanukovych. You will dispute this, but you had better look up what is considered to be a coup d'Ă©tat.
Ukraine is not our “proxy war”. Putin manufactured his proxy war against Ukraine in the Donbas region years before he mounted his full feldge invasion, in an attempt to weaken Urkaine and as part of trying to subvert its political system to produce leaders who would be pliable by Putin.
You apparently have no clue what a proxy war even is. Let me help you:
A proxy war is a conflict fought by one or more major powers that do not themselves become directly involved. These wars are characterized by the involvement of powerful nations that avoid direct military confrontation and orchestrate battles through surrogate forces.
Putin did not start the conflict in eastern Ukraine, he provided aide, but Putin did not start the hostilities. If he did then provide the proof.
How so?
The Minsk Agreements I & II. Germany's Angela Merkle, France's François Hollande, and Ukraine's Petro Oleksiiovych Poroshenko all admitted that they had no intention to ever implement the Minsk Agreements. That they used them only to buy time to build Ukraine's military, train & arm them because war was in their future. Because they wanted to use Ukraine as the battlefield where the hostilities would be held, and the Ukrainians would become the combatants and the fodder for the Russian military. Shortly after Russia invaded, Putin & Zelenskyy began engaging in talks for a peaceful resolution, which they had come to an agreement, that Russia would return all land thy controlled except for the Crimea, if Zelenskyy would declare Ukraine would remain neutral and not join NATO.
Then along came Boris Johnson who convinced Zelenskyy not to enter into a peace agreement claiming that Putin was a liar.
It's NATO & Ukraine who we are supplying war material & money along with other NATO nations for Ukraine to fight Russia.
Nope, you are spewing forth propaganda from this illegitimate usurper administration along with NATO propaganda. I am spewing forth truth, truth that you confidently ignore because you are emotionally tied to Ukraine, while I have not emotional ties to, but I do have emotional ties to my nation, which supposedly you fought to keep safe.
Sad that with your impressive resume that you cannot see the obvious truth on a host of issued . Such as that Biden is concerned about Ukraine when it was an easy issue to overcome, but he didn't want a peaceful resolution, he wanted a proxy war. You care far more about Ukraine than you do your own nation that you swore to honor & protect, which that oath is supposedly for life, as Biden not only allows but promotes the massive influx if unknown invaders, most of who are military aged men. You do not care that Biden is a usurper occupying the White House. That usurper is taking money from enemies, as well as, questionable sources in Ukraine to enrich his family including his drug-addled son.
You can spew your insults all you want, because while I thank you for you service. Since then you remind me of John McCain who did more to weaken this nation rather than protect this nation.
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