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The Philadelphia Inquirer always described MOVE as "a radical, back-to-nature commune".
All of the MOVE adults took the last name of "Africa".
Posted on 05/14/2024 2:49:03 PM PDT by Kid Shelleen
May 13, 1985 is a day that changed Philadelphia forever.
On that day, police dropped a bomb on the MOVE compound on Osage Avenue in West Philadelphia, near Cobbs Creek, leaving 11 people, including children, dead. The ensuing fire destroyed the neighborhood and left decades of scars for everyone involved.
The armed confrontation between Philadelphia authorities and the radical group MOVE has boiled for years. The day before it escalated and by Monday morning the shooting had begun and ended as a bomb was dropped from a state police helicopter onto the group's row house at 5:27 p.m., igniting a fire that destroyed about 60 neighboring homes
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FAFO?
My friends and I drove to permiter of the inferno that night 39 years ago…people of all races and walks of life, stood there stunned.
MOVE was no saintly organization and their behavior was not beyond reproach.
But when a municipality drops a bomb on a residential home, then the police open fire on the people inside and burn down a city block, it is akin to Waco and Ruby Ridge. And just like those instance of murder by Leveithan, everyone got off Scott free.
At least Wilson Goode, to his credit, has asked for forgiveness. He’s a minister and never achieved fame and fortune.
Meanwhile, former DA and DNC slimeball Fast Eddie Rendell (as the late Evil Irv Homer called him) has never looked back, did very well for himself, helped trash the nation, and has NEVER apologized.
Anyone who smiles on the MOVE bombing is a friend of Janet Reno and
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MOVE was a radical communist menace. They had bullhorns blaring marxist bullshot 24/7. They shot at cops and firemen. They filled their house with garbage and the vermin were infesting the block. The cops evacuated the block and tried to serve arrest and search warrants.
The MOVE Africans opened fire from an Iwo Jima looking pillbox on the roof with full auto fire going for almost 2 hours. Well over 10,000 rounds flew.
Very reasonable to drop a satchel charge on the pillbox.
Their massive gasoline stockpile on the roof caught on fire. When firemen moved in to get water on the fire, the MOVE jackasses started shooting at them and the firemen had to retreat!
But this has become a cause celebre’ now. The poor innocent, communist revolutionaries lost.
One lesson learned: Don’t live in a ‘hood of row houses.
“But when a municipality drops a bomb on a residential home, then the police open fire on the people inside and burn down a city block, it is akin to Waco and Ruby Ridge. And just like those instance of murder by Leveithan, everyone got off Scott free.”
Bullshit. They did all they could to protect the innocent. And the police did not open fire, the revolutionaries in the row house did. And not just with a 38 snub. With full auto and from an armored pillbox. They kept up sustained fire for almost 2 hours when the police tried to silence the pillbox.
It was NOT a police attack, police did not just attack and open fire, and they did not just “bomb a residential home”.
And when the fire started they tried to get it put out and the idiots opened fire again... shooting at firemen.
MOVE was a hell of a LOT more than “not saintly” and “not beyond reproach”.
Tell us wise one. You’re the cop. How do you arrest them? Tell us exactly how.
The house where my father was born was destroyed that night.
Enforcement of court orders like this needs to have such leftist propagandists sent in first.
+1 And this is nothing like Waco. It has a lot more in common with the SLA house shootout in LA. They were revolutionaries, and started a fight. What were they expecting?
If Rizzo had done it, the whole city would have burned down.
I was around Philly enough in those days and have enough knowledge of what you speak about to agree with you in respect to this.
Very poorly handled
Not quite Waco or RR but same reservation
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The Philadelphia Inquirer always described MOVE as "a radical, back-to-nature commune".
All of the MOVE adults took the last name of "Africa".
Pretty sure Officer Jim Ramp would have agreed with you…
I remember seeing him dead in the street, killed by those bastards.
I’m not a LEO nor do I play one on TV. I also suspect you aren’t as well. I’m not an expert in such techniques. But they exist. There are plenty of situations that get diffused, without annihilating people or property.
There is little difference between the MOVE bombing, incinerating the Branch Davidians, and the murder of Vicki Weaver. Two were all conducted under Democrat leadership while Ruby Ridge was under Bush the Elder (that makes me feel MUCH better), and across all three there was no time limit, and nobody in the assaulting Team Government entourage went to jail.
Ok, there is one big difference.
Irv spoke about such people. That afternoon on WWDB, many callers were all-in on state-sanctioned murder. The same Stalin-like mindset smiles on the death of Ashley Babbitt.
They'll hold out for a little while, trying to ignore the scream of water, gloomily looking at each other in the darkness, ruing their soggy drugs and food, cringing at the settling of the wood soaked floors, shivering with hypothermia on soaked couches knowing they'll never be able to sleep, stuttering as they openly ponder through painfully chattering teeth about how The Man won.
According to some here if he had just been smart enough to be born someplace better it would not have happened.
People live where they live usually because they do not have a bunch of options.
I studied this quite a bit, especially since it happened in my backyard so to speak.
Lest anyone think otherwise, I am not sympathetic to MOVE’s techniques. If you want to be back-to-nature, go for it. If you want to speak freely, go ahead. But yelling at the neighborhood with a bullhorn isn’t cool. And as communists, I have little doubt they’d dislike my Milton Friedman tshirt. I’d be pi##3d if they were my neighbors.
The City of Philadelphia and MOVE had bad blood between them. There was a gunfight in the 70s where an officer was killed (MOVE was at fault in that case, though as someone else noted it’s a miracle that it wasn’t a war scene with Rizzo in charge). In some ways, it’s surprising that the Osage Ave bombing happened years and not months later.
Despite the revisionist history presented elsewhere, eg Ramona Africa is from Philly, this is not a saint vs sinner story. MOVE was absolutely poking the bear. But the City was in way over its head. Quoth wiki:
On Monday, May 13, 1985, nearly 500 police officers, along with city manager Leo Brooks, arrived in force and attempted to clear the building and execute the arrest warrants.[10][9] Water and electricity were shut off in order to force MOVE members out of the house. At 5:35 a.m., Sambor read a long speech addressed to MOVE members that started with, “Attention MOVE: This is America. You have to abide by the laws of the United States.” They were given 15 minutes to come out. When the MOVE members did not respond, the police decided to forcibly remove the people who remained in the house.[10][6] Inside the building were seven adults and six children.[11]
There was an armed standoff with police,[12] who threw tear gas canisters at the building. The MOVE members fired at them, and a gunfight with semi-automatic and automatic firearms ensued for 90 minutes.[13] One officer was hit in the back in his flak jacket but was not seriously hurt.[6] Police used more than 10,000 rounds of ammunition. At 2 p.m., Sambor ordered that the compound be bombed.[13]
From a Pennsylvania State Police helicopter, Philadelphia Police Department Lt. Frank Powell proceeded to drop two 1.5-pound (0.75 kg) bombs (which the police referred to as “entry devices”[9]) made of Tovex, a dynamite substitute, combined with two pounds of FBI-supplied C-4,[14] targeting a fortified, bunker-like cubicle on the roof of the house.[6] The bombs exploded after 45 seconds, igniting the fuel of a gasoline-powered generator and setting the house on fire, which was left to burn. Officials later stated that this was to let the fire burn through the roof and destroy the “bunker”, so police could then drop tear gas into the house and flush out the occupants. Thirty minutes later, firefighters moved in to control the fire but there was gunfire and the firefighters and police were ordered back as the fire spread to neighboring houses down the street.
Again, MOVE isn’t a club I’d want to join. But make MOVE a MAGA group with a bullhorn that got murdered by the state of Michigan, and let’s see where people line up.
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