Posted on 05/07/2024 11:57:33 AM PDT by cuz1961
Turkish Foreign Minister: We must stop Israel. Either by peace or by force.
[Turkish Foreign Minister: We must stop Israel. Either by peace or by force.]
[It seems to me there is someone else Hand in this, an Almighty Hand. I have listened my entire life to the prophecy and how they unfold. I have had my share of days of doubts and days of on my knees in belief, begging for mercy.
We do not know the day or hour, but we are to know the season.]
Absolutely correct my FRiend. We are in the season - hence my multiple new threads of late (beside my usual craziness, LOL)
Turkey, IMHO, is House of Togarmah (map to follow)
Ezekiel 38 IS coming - Turkey WILL be part of the Ezekiel 38 coalition that attempts to destroy Israel (it will not work)
Ezekiel 38:6
King James Version
6 Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the NORTH quarters, and all his bands: and many people with thee.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=ezekiel+38%3A6&version=KJV
Exactly!!
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Ezekiel 38 is going to happen one of these days. Prophesied about 2,600 years ago. It’s for the Latter Days (v. 16) and the Latter Years (v. 8) (KJV).
Ezekiel 38 KJV Read Aloud for Viewers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zuYCM0g2kc
Ezekiel 38 King James Version (KJV)
1 And the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,
2 Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him,
3 And say, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:
4 And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords:
5 Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet:
6 Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands: and many people with thee.
7 Be thou prepared, and prepare for thyself, thou, and all thy company that are assembled unto thee, and be thou a guard unto them.
8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.
9 Thou shalt ascend and come like a storm, thou shalt be like a cloud to cover the land, thou, and all thy bands, and many people with thee.
10 Thus saith the Lord God; It shall also come to pass, that at the same time shall things come into thy mind, and thou shalt think an evil thought:
11 And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,
12 To take a spoil, and to take a prey; to turn thine hand upon the desolate places that are now inhabited, and upon the people that are gathered out of the nations, which have gotten cattle and goods, that dwell in the midst of the land.
13 Sheba, and Dedan, and the merchants of Tarshish, with all the young lions thereof, shall say unto thee, Art thou come to take a spoil? hast thou gathered thy company to take a prey? to carry away silver and gold, to take away cattle and goods, to take a great spoil?
14 Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say unto Gog, Thus saith the Lord God; In that day when my people of Israel dwelleth safely, shalt thou not know it?
15 And thou shalt come from thy place out of the north parts, thou, and many people with thee, all of them riding upon horses, a great company, and a mighty army:
16 And thou shalt come up against my people of Israel, as a cloud to cover the land; it shall be in the latter days, and I will bring thee against my land, that the heathen may know me, when I shall be sanctified in thee, O Gog, before their eyes.
17 Thus saith the Lord God; Art thou he of whom I have spoken in old time by my servants the prophets of Israel, which prophesied in those days many years that I would bring thee against them?
18 And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord God, that my fury shall come up in my face.
19 For in my jealousy and in the fire of my wrath have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel;
20 So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground.
21 And I will call for a sword against him throughout all my mountains, saith the Lord God: every man’s sword shall be against his brother.
22 And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone.
23 Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be known in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know that I am the Lord.
They should be ejected immediately.
Would you rather have them as an ally or fight them? Turkey is not less than the third strongest military power in NATO.
https://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-listing.php
Israel is not a concern of NATO. If Israel tries to (1) exterminate the Gaza population, or (2) expel them from the land, or (3) to simply take all of Gaza, then Turkey or another Muslim nation may get involved. Until recently, it seemed #2 was not possible because nobody would take the Palestinians, but the unlikely candidate seems to be the United States.
A ruinous heap?
I see what you did here.
yup
ive read its where iran and others have large weapons cash
plus
the “ going it alone” english segment of bibi’s speach the other day
plus
( mini ) sampson option
isaiah 17:1
maranatha
Turkey is threatening action against Israel. As a NATO “ally”, we’d be obligated to help Turkey if Israel were to (rightly) retaliate. I don’t want to be in a situation where that is happening... that’s why I don’t like to hear that kind of scimitar-rattling.
Because even in the bad old days, the old USSR wanted Constantinople back. The new/old Russia has it as a strategic long term objective.
Israel is at a cross roads. They have functioned as a colony of first the UK and now the US for all of their history. The UK has long since stopped supporting them, and with the decline of religion in the US there is little political reason for the US to continue to support Israel unconditionally. The anti bill of rights bill that was recently passed is a great example of it.
The next decade will determine the political future of Israel.
Turkey is threatening action against Israel. As a NATO “ally”, we’d be obligated to help Turkey if Israel were to (rightly) retaliate.
That just isn't so. It is rather a misunderstanding of NATO Articles 5 and 6. There would be no NATO obligation if Turkey initiates an aggression toward Israel. There would be no NATO obligation if the Israeli action did not occur on NATO territory. Nothing requires a military response. My source is NATO itself.
https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_110496.htm
Collective Defence and Article 5
NATO
Last updated 04 Jul 2023 11:47
[Excerpt]
A cornerstone of the AllianceArticle 5
In 1949, the primary aim of the North Atlantic Treaty – NATO’s founding treaty – was to create a pact of mutual assistance to counter the risk that the Soviet Union would seek to extend its control of Eastern Europe to other parts of the continent.
Every participating country agreed that this form of solidarity was at the heart of the Treaty, effectively making Article 5 on collective defence a key component of the Alliance.
Article 5 provides that if a NATO Ally is the victim of an armed attack, each and every other member of the Alliance will consider this act of violence as an armed attack against all members and will take the actions it deems necessary to assist the Ally attacked.
Article 5
“The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognized by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.
Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be reported to the Security Council. Such measures shall be terminated when the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security.”
This article is complemented by Article 6, which stipulates:
Article 61
“For the purpose of Article 5, an armed attack on one or more of the Parties is deemed to include an armed attack:
- With the invocation of Article 5, Allies can provide any form of assistance they deem necessary to respond to a situation. This is an individual obligation on each Ally and each Ally is responsible for determining what it deems necessary in the particular circumstances.
This assistance is taken forward in concert with other Allies. It is not necessarily military and depends on the material resources of each country. It is therefore left to the judgment of each individual member country to determine how it will contribute. Each country will consult with the other members, bearing in mind that the ultimate aim is to “to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area”.
At the drafting of Article 5 in the late 1940s, there was consensus on the principle of mutual assistance, but fundamental disagreement on the modalities of implementing this commitment. The European participants wanted to ensure that the United States would automatically come to their assistance should one of the signatories come under attack; the United States did not want to make such a pledge and obtained that this be reflected in the wording of Article 5.
“Ezekiel 38 is going to happen one of these days...”
Looks to be sooner then we can tell.
I tell you what - crazy times
God bless you
exactly
Yeah as someone noted, it’s a little more complicated BUT it’s definitely not a scenario we’d like to see play out
But ... we just might (some form of it - Erdogan has always concerned me when it comes to Israel)
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