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To: woodpusher

Turkey is threatening action against Israel. As a NATO “ally”, we’d be obligated to help Turkey if Israel were to (rightly) retaliate. I don’t want to be in a situation where that is happening... that’s why I don’t like to hear that kind of scimitar-rattling.


50 posted on 05/08/2024 6:46:29 AM PDT by alancarp (George Orwell was an optimist.)
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To: alancarp
Turkey is threatening action against Israel. As a NATO “ally”, we’d be obligated to help Turkey if Israel were to (rightly) retaliate.

That just isn't so. It is rather a misunderstanding of NATO Articles 5 and 6. There would be no NATO obligation if Turkey initiates an aggression toward Israel. There would be no NATO obligation if the Israeli action did not occur on NATO territory. Nothing requires a military response. My source is NATO itself.

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_110496.htm

Collective Defence and Article 5

NATO
Last updated 04 Jul 2023 11:47

[Excerpt]

A cornerstone of the Alliance

Article 5

In 1949, the primary aim of the North Atlantic Treaty – NATO’s founding treaty – was to create a pact of mutual assistance to counter the risk that the Soviet Union would seek to extend its control of Eastern Europe to other parts of the continent.

Every participating country agreed that this form of solidarity was at the heart of the Treaty, effectively making Article 5 on collective defence a key component of the Alliance.

Article 5 provides that if a NATO Ally is the victim of an armed attack, each and every other member of the Alliance will consider this act of violence as an armed attack against all members and will take the actions it deems necessary to assist the Ally attacked.

Article 5

“The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognized by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.

Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be reported to the Security Council. Such measures shall be terminated when the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security.”

This article is complemented by Article 6, which stipulates:

Article 61

“For the purpose of Article 5, an armed attack on one or more of the Parties is deemed to include an armed attack:


52 posted on 05/08/2024 11:01:12 AM PDT by woodpusher
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To: alancarp

exactly


55 posted on 05/08/2024 8:59:32 PM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the Days of Lot; They did Eat, They Drank, They Bought, They Sold ......)
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To: alancarp

Yeah as someone noted, it’s a little more complicated BUT it’s definitely not a scenario we’d like to see play out

But ... we just might (some form of it - Erdogan has always concerned me when it comes to Israel)


56 posted on 05/08/2024 9:01:13 PM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the Days of Lot; They did Eat, They Drank, They Bought, They Sold ......)
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