Posted on 04/12/2024 10:56:41 AM PDT by george76
BREAKING: Speaker Mike Johnson just inexcusably voted against the American people and his voters by casting the tie-breaking vote 212-212 to defeat a FISA 702 amendment requiring a warrant to spy on Americans.
This is how the Constitution dies.
Brought to you by the House GOP.
One vote wins are all scripted.
” Sure and George Bush sold us out as well. “
Both of them.
And that is the lesson.
I know this website was formed out of opposition to Clinton. So people can’t look at it objectively at what happened.
But the Clean Air Act and American Disability Act is used every day by the Administrative State to put more and more edicts and regulations on people.
(the entire CO2 agenda came from the 1990 Clear Air Act, and the current tranny garbage comes from the ADA)
Both passed by Bush 1.0.
Nothing Clinton did came close.
And neither repealed by majority REpub Congresses and President, with many opportunities.
“This is primarily for people who may not fully grasp the FISA process and what it is capable of.”
Have you been living under a rock? You do know that the FBI used FISA to spy on Trump? You did not know that? And Trump is an American citizen. Do you really think that Trump was engaged in activity that justified a FISA warrant on him? And the FBI used a FISA warrant on most of the Trump team.
You’re probably correct
It’s happened just too many times
And it always seems to go -——> the wrong way when it’s over
Welcome to the......
https://youtu.be/nO62scTZ7Qk?si=NBbUOp6M_cDHjquk
“One vote wins are all scripted.”
Always !
That one sentence is profound. Franklin instinctively knew the truth when he said “if you can keep it”.
It IS true. The IC cannot TARGET US citizens, any person located inside the US, or a foreigner in the USA.
Based on your reply, that seems to be the prime point that made you angry, and I presume you said "WTF??? Of COURSE it can be used to spy on Americans, that is what they did to Trump and Flynn!"
And you are correct. And I am completely and fully in agreement!
But the point is, the FISA CANNOT be used by itself to TARGET American citizens. To use FISA against Trump, Flynn, Carter, Popadopoulos, et al, they HAD to have a foreign entity that they were going to directly TARGET.
American citizens are incidentally involved as PART of that process, and that is the ONLY way. They could not open a FISA process on Trump or Popadopoulos. They had to get a foreign entity involved.
If they needed to go directly at Flynn or Carter, for example, they would have had to go down a non-FISA path.
But that is what makes it so terrible-the Left actively, knowingly, with forethought of purpose and deep malice, engaged the levers of power with the FISA process, and used it, not to spy on the Russians that Flynn or Carter were said by them to be hobnobbing with.
They USED the FISA process against the VERY principles it was ostensibly created for. In every single case, the FBI and DOJ SOUGHT OUT AND FOUND PEOPLE IN FOREIGN COUNTRIES AND DESIGNATED THEM AS A THREAT.
Once some stupid, corrupt, or inconsequential Russian oligarch schlub was designated as a threat, they could begin.
Michael Flynn sat next to a Russian woman at a dinner. She could be declared a threat to be monitored, and under FISA, every communication made by Flynn to anyone in the Administration opened up every single person in the entire Trump Administration and beyond to government surveillance and unmasking for mining. Recorded phone conversations. texts, emails, Facebook posts, you name it, EVERYTHING that passed between Flynn and EVERYONE he breathed on (including Trump) then became a "Subject" (again NOT a target) and every single thing that tens or hundreds of thousands of people including Flynn's garbage man (if he ever contacted him) would then be able to be "legally" surveilled.
The key points are that the FISA warrants on US Citizens can ONLY be used if there is a foreigner deemed by the IC as someone to monitor, and the IC pointed their investigative cannon based not on the foreign national, but as a means to point it at an American citizen. In that fashion, the IC monitoring of specific foreign nationals was DELIBERATELY and MALICIOUSLY, and with FULL INTENT engaged in order to enable them to spy on American citizens who communicated with.
Reading your post, I suspect I wrote my post poorly and you misunderstood what I was trying to say. I don't think there is much daylight between you and I on this.
Just plain excellent summary!
The communists who rule us are on a roll...
They know that the serfs don’t want to hear about any of the uncontrolled trampling of our Constitutionally-guaranteed freedoms & liberties...
The communists that their destruction of the United States of America was guaranteed on the day that lying sack of communist crap, FDR, decided to “temporarily” steal tax money directly out of our paychecks and envelopes...
I was 10-years old at the time and living with grandparents since both parents were away because of the war...
My brother and I spent an untold number of hours listening to my grandfather & grandmother ranting and raving about the future under communism that our grandchildren and beyond would suffer under...
Distraction of the war was perfect and “temporally” became “permanent”...
The actual reason for the theft of these moneys, future administrations could run wild with the unregulated spending required that would in a few generations sink capitalism...
Many warnings were voiced...
Absolutely none of them were taken seriously...
There remains only one possible way to throw of our chains and reclaim our freedoms & liberties...
A fed statute cannot override the constitution or a SCOTUS decision, nor can it establish a fed government power not granted in the Constitution. Warrantless searches and seizures on people inside the borders of the USA are still illegal and anything discovered during a FISA warrantless search cannot be used against you in a court of law as whatever they find by virtue of that warrantless search and seizure is “fruit of the poisonous tree”. The cause of action to use against this is a “Bivens lawsuit” and it cannot be against an agency of the fed govt, just Fed employees - 42 USC 1983 only applies to state & local actions violating your civil rights
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Here ya go: FReeper Profile:
https://freerepublic.com/~rlmorel/
So now you know who this poster is. Of the list you gave, Levin and Bongino are of superior knowledge vs. the other two. imho, whoever the hell posting here. Some people do actually know things.
People like General Flynn. Whom obamaumao to this day fears quite a bit. Because people like Flynn know exactly who and what obamaumao the first and his embeds are: The Enemy of our Republic.
I don’t think you understood rlmorel’s post.
I wondered too if it wasn’t the “new car” syndrome. No idea if he had an Alexa thing on his phone. Although years after he had talked about it there was that case(s) where people that shared previous internet meetings or something got the recordings of others having private conversations in their living rooms due to a software problem.
However, I do just assume that “they” can listen in or perhaps even watch. (Yes - I do have my computer cameras covered! It would be a boring show, but...)
There is a pdf document called “If Wheels could talk...” by Nicolle Mo, New York University School of Law thesis. I just found it and skimmed it remembering a case where a car’s black box was gone through for evidence.
It seems that a warrant is not always needed when it comes to a vehicle. The first case she mentions is where a car with On Star (whose subscription had expired but was still on) got an emergency call (by accident) and the operator that got the call could tell that it was a drug deal going down, and told the police that were on the way to the “emergency” about it and they arrested the people.
MTG needs to bring her motion to vacate to the floor.
And getting time to air em out.
Like my tag says
Well Mikey,
You just lost any support from me there pal,
F-you.
You do know that all electronic communications (including landline phones) worldwide have been intercepted since the 1950? And that has been common knowledge since the 1980s (check you local library for further information)?
So now you are complaining?
Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other. ~John Adams
One only knows what they have on him. Very curious indeed.
Oh, good gosh, PIF. Of COURSE I am complaining!
I explain why it is not the same situation (surveillance-wise) below, but do we agree that FISA is NOT supposed to be used to specifically target US Citizens (only foreigners) but that it foreigners were TARGETED in order to surveil the REAL targets, who are US Citizens? That FISA forbids targeting Americans as the primary target, but it is worth not the paper it is printed on, because they deliberately use a cut-out targeted foreigner’s connection to the real targeted US Citizen Can we agree on that before you read below where I explain why surveillance today is not the same thing it was in 1950 or even 1970?
I expect you would have to agree that the collection, storage, archival, and retrieval of electronic communications in 1970 was quite a different endeavor even as late as 1970, than it is today.
Back then, human. resources would have been dedicated to ANY surveillance of communications because they didn’t have the luxury of databases and unlimited storage of collected material.
Everything collected would have to be manually catalogued, transcribed, and physically archived.
All that required humans to collect, humans to listen, humans to archive, physical facilities to store, tapes, transcribed communications, an agreed on logical storage scheme, and records kept on access to records of those collected data.
It isn’t even the same universe of an issue in 1970 as it is today. And it is because of all those things mentioned above that the access to communications is very easy due to the digital nature of it, storage is cheap, can be done for a whole country in just a few buildings. Most importantly, talent to harness technology, capture communications, write databases, and analyze data is readily available for little money. If you don’t live in India, Russia, or China, you can buy their knowhow, hardware, and human knowledge from them from hard cash to implement surveillance.
If you live in an ostensibly free country like the United States, there are always ideological fellow travelers who will give access to information for little or no money, and if that doesn’t get what you need, you pay people who are competent in a field who will sell themselves.
The equipment to use can be purchased anywhere.
Every country with any degree of access to technology today is surveilling its citizens in every way possible from video to snail mail, using software to transcribe video and voice into electronic text based data, perfectly catalogued with metadata for retrieval.
Now, in almost every state in the Union, traffic video cameras exist, tied in giant networks, and every car that passes through has its license plate examined by video, converted to text, which is instantly sent to a database with at least three data points: the plate number, data/time, and geolocation.
And they have been doing this for decades.
That is why the point of “Two-Hops” and five years of ready data is so important in this context. Sure, we have electronic surveillance data going back some years, but in the 21st century, we entered the age of ubiquitous, constant, and organized surveillance. So, for at least the last quarter century or so, they switched on the vacuum cleaner for electronic communication and have been gathering it on us and storing it without our consent, but...we have their word. It is all anonymous. Masked. Can’t be accessed, unmasked, or used without a “valid” reason.
And that is the rub.
If someone, somewhere, has any reason they want data, they can find a “valid” reason to access it. And the FISA process is a way they can do it that is private, closed to the public or even the person being surveilled.
So.
If I spoke to the head of my company about getting his computer in his office repaired, and my CEO spoke to some White House staffer about the technical capabilities of an enemy overseas (as someone like Carter Page may have done, to solidify his knowledge on something as he angled for a job in the Trump Administration) I could easily end up having my communications and movements unmasked and analyzed. All of them. For the last year and a half, and forever into the future, and it is all there.
Do they want to monitor my movements minutely? With a FISA warrant, they can obtain the traffic camera data from EVERYWHERE for the last year and a half to look for “patterns” in my movements. They can likely see every single drive I have taken, anywhere. So, if I am a married man, and in their referencing of cell phone GPS data, cross-indexed with names and addresses of people, find a repeatable pattern that ends up at some young woman’s house, they can make a note of that. Then, in the future if they interview me for ANY reason, and they ask me what I was doing on a given date a year and a half ago, I might well say, not knowing the FBI was not my friend, that I think I was camping with buddies. In reality, I might have been having an affair with a woman. Doesn’t make a difference. If I said I was camping when I wasn’t, they record that in their 302 form, and I can be arrested at any time for lying to the FBI. (just a fictitious example, of course). Look at what they did with General Flynn. Not that far off.
Surely you would concede that 2024 is not even in the same ballpark as even 1974?
We are on the verge of becoming 1970 East Germany with all that hardware, software, technology knowledge, video, but the same ideological malice and lust for control permeates everything they do. The FBI would be The Stasi on hyper steroids, and the US government will have their thumb on every single citizen.
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