Posted on 01/22/2024 7:02:53 PM PST by Uncle Miltie
In a three-part interview with Kuwaiti podcaster Amar Taki, posted during the second week of January 2024, Khaled Mashal, the leader of Hamas abroad, rejected the two-state solution. He said that there is a consensus among Palestinians that they will not give up their rights to Palestine from the Mediterranean River to the Mediterranean Sea. Mashal said that October 7 has renewed this dream and hope and shown that it is a realistic idea, not merely a dream. He stated that taking control of the Gaza Strip following the 2006 elections was necessary in order to build up the resistance, its weapons production, and tunnels, without any hindrance from the Palestinian Authority.
Khaled Mashal: "Even some of our supporters were worried that ruling [Gaza] would change us. They did not realize that coming to power was a necessity, in order to serve the people and to protect the resistance. It provided a political and administrative cover in all the [Palestinian] institutions, and gave the resistance a free hand to operate. We have used our rule [of Gaza] to build up the resistance with all its means – the weapons, the weapons production, the planning, the training, and the tunnels – while our backs were safe. In other words, there was no security coordination, no Palestinian Authority to persecute us…"
Interviewer: "No one to stab you in the back…"
Mashal: "Hamas did not set its eyes on ruling [Gaza]. Hamas was looking for a ruling authority that would [serve] the resistance. Authority under occupation is a mistake. That was the first mistake of the Oslo accords. But since this authority has become, since 1994, fait accompli, due to the Oslo Accords, Hamas's philosophy when it entered the 2006 elections, was [that] we wanted to subordinate this authority, which was already a fact on the ground, to the service of the people and of the resistance, and this is what happened. As soon as we won the 2006 elections, we captured the Israeli soldier [Gilad] Shalit, and the prisoner swap deal was in 2011. This was practical evidence that Hamas had subordinated its rule [of Gaza] to the service of the resistance, rather than giving up the resistance for the sake of this authority.
"People are saying now that the October 7 war has opened a new horizon for a vision of a political settlement. Here, they pull out their old 'merchandise' of the two-state solution. I would like to say two things about the two-state solution. First, we have nothing to do with the two-state solution. We reject this notion, because it means you would get a promise for a [Palestinian] state, yet you are required to recognize the legitimacy of the other state, which is the Zionist entity. This is unacceptable. We demand to be liberated, to get rid of the occupation, and to have our independence, and our state. [Israel] is my enemy. It is not my concern."
Interviewer: "What 'state' are you talking about?"
Mashal: "A Palestinian state."
Interviewer: "What Palestinian state?"
Mashal: "Obviously, the position of Hamas, and the position of the vast majority of the Palestinian people, especially following October 7, I believe that the dream and the hope for Palestine from the River to the Sea, and from the north to the south, has been renewed. This has also become a slogan chanted in the U.S., and in western capital cities, by the American and Western public.
"'Palestine from the River to the Sea' - that's the slogan of American students, and the [students] in European capital cities. Our Palestinian enterprise, on which there is almost a Palestinian national consensus…Even if some people must voice a different opinion, due to political constraints…
"The Palestinian consensus - or almost a consensus – is that we will not give up on our right to Palestine in its entirety, from the [Jordan] River to the [Mediterranean] Sea, and from Rosh HaNikra to Eilat or the Gulf of Aqaba.
"In order to establish a common ground, and a joint Palestinian plan with the other Palestinian with the other Palestinian forces, and in line with the other Arab position. Hamas agreed to a completely independent [Palestinian] state, with the 1967 borders, with Jerusalem as its capital, with the right of Return included – without recognizing the legitimacy of the Zionist entity.
"This position was meant to facilitate Palestinian and Arab agreement at this stage, but without relinquishing any of our rights or any part of our land, and without recognizing Israel. Our vision remains unchanged.
"I believe that October 7 has enhanced this conviction, has narrowed the disagreements, and has turned the idea of liberating Palestine from the River to the Sea into a realistic idea that has already begun. It is not something [merely] to be expected or hoped for. It is part of the plan, part of the agenda, and we are standing on its threshold, Allah willing."
When a nation rejects its borders and attacks its neighbors it either succeeds, or fails and losses territory. Borders can’t be imposed by other nations upon Israel when Gaza rejects its borders. Gaza would make a great spot for Middle Eastern Christians fleeing Muslim tyranny in the Middle East. They could have a great resort on the Mediterranean with all of that beach.
From Mecca to the Seven Seas make the World Islamic free!
The Middle Eastern Christians would NOT be inclined to hold hands with the Hamas-gazans and sing “Kum by Ya”
And that is a VERY good thing!
“Israel embraces the One Parking Lot Solution to the Palestinivermin infestation.”
Yes. Netanyahu may be the only sane leader left. There is no alternative but total destruction of Hamas, and effective demilitarization of Gaza in whatever form necessary. If the so-called palis want a state they can move to other existing arab countries and see if they can get adopted by their moslem brethren.
Khaled Mashal is most certainly a legitimate military target...
Annihilation of Hamas is Deus Vult. I stand with Israel.
I think it makes it objectively easier to wipe out gaza when hamas says it rejects a 2 state solution.
Obviously it means hamas won’t stop until they wipe israel out, or until they are wiped out. Looks like pretty soon they won’t have to deal with a 2-state solution, cuz they will be wiped out.
I’m saying Netanyahu appears to be in the process of doing precisely that today. I’m saying the events of 10/7 and the subsequent catastrophe unfolding in Gaza has even harden the position I spoke of for both sides. Give it six months and see if either or both sides have been eliminated. There is no chance for peace now. One will be eliminated. There are too many Moslems and they have nukes too.
Complete annihilation of Hamas cannot be accomplished short of complete annihilation of Gazans. That step will be the catalyst for complete annihilation of Israel and millions more. There was a time when peace could have been achieved and no one would be getting annihilated. And no one would be making billions either.
RE: Both sides are intractable. They each want the same thing, the annihilation of the other side.
Arab states allow no rights or legislative seats to Israeli Jews. None. Set up a kosher restaurant in Iran or Syria or United Arab Emirates owned by Jews? No way.
If Israel had really wanted to obliterate the enemies who surround them they could have done so but did not.
If you mean eliminating the power base of Hamas and ISIS, then yes, they want that, like the US vs. enemies and all the countries like Russia, China and the others want to protect themselves against their enemies. The October slaughter of Jews in Israel was “Israel’s 9/11” and they, like us, are not cheery about permitting another one.
And what kind of asinine comment is that? As a matter of fact, hundreds of Israelis living abroad for one reason or another -- furthering their studies, vacation, etc. -- answered the call and returned to their beloved country to defend it. Many lost their lives doing so. I just read a tragic story this morning about a father of six who was killed defending his country when he returned to Israel. You, who flings such stupid and baseless remarks, aren't fit to lick this hero's shoes.
I’m saying the events of 10/7 and the subsequent catastrophe unfolding in Gaza has even harden the position I spoke of for both sides.You Said Israel wants to annihilate the Palestinians and then sited a single killing in 1995....
Both sides are intractable. They each want the same thing, the annihilation of the other side.But Israel could have easily annihilated the Palestinians if that is what they wanted. Surely if the shoe was on the other foot the Palestinians would have annihilated Israel.
Why do you describe Terrorist slaughter of Israelis as "events" but Israel defending and trying to free hostages is a "catastrophe? Do you have a Hamas flag on your wall?
80% will move to the U.S., 20% to Europe/Australia and New Zealand.
Hamas terrorists want the Holy Land more than the Jews (except for the Orthodox, maybe but they're not in the IDF)
“Gaza would make a great spot for Middle Eastern Christians fleeing Muslim tyranny in the Middle East. They could have a great resort on the Mediterranean with all of that beach.”
I have a better idea. Help the IDF get rid of hamass completely and they take possession of the entire Gaza Strip. Israel can then sell the property to The Trump Organization and then they can build a mega resort there.
It'll be more like the Fall of Saigon. All the planes/helicopters will depart Tel Aviv. Maybe our ships will have to help with the evacuations.
I don't see it happening. There's no political will. Bibi's gone.
The only option would be is if Bibi decides to declare martial law and become a dictator. But he's not going to do that.
Yeah, I know a lot of orthodox doctors in my area and they are selling everything and moving BACK to Israel.
The NYT even did a story on several weeks ago...
One thing can be counted on: Jew-haters have no idea what they spout off about. They just hate Jews and let their imagination run wild with why.
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