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Gretchen Whitmer to Michigan men: Don't annoy your ex ... or the cops will take all your guns
Lapeer County Tribune ^ | November 29, 2023 | Scott McMahan

Posted on 11/29/2023 3:43:40 PM PST by Gritty

LANSING – Governor Gretchen Whitmer signed a slate of new gun control bills into law on November 20 that confiscate firearms and ammunition from people in Michigan who have been convicted of both violent and non-violent misdemeanors under new legal definitions of “domestic violence misdemeanors” established in the new laws.

These bills, passed by the democrat-controlled state house and senate, broadly expand the category of misdemeanors considered to be “domestic violence” to include many infractions that are clearly not violent, allow law enforcement to confiscate all firearms from anyone convicted of these misdemeanors, and prohibit anyone convicted of these misdemeanors from buying or owning firearms or ammunition for 8 years. ​

One of the bills, Senate Bill 528 Sec. 115 (1), clearly defines the act of stepping foot into your current or ex-partner's vacant ice shanty without her permission as a domestic violence misdemeanor – as long as the shanty is worth $100 or more.

Another section (Sec. 540E (1)) says if you annoy or “disturb the peace and quiet of another person” who is your current or former domestic partner using a telecommunications service or device, you are guilty of a domestic violence misdemeanor.

The consequence of having a domestic violence misdemeanor on your record is the forced confiscation of all your firearms and ammunition. You will, also, be unable to purchase or own firearms or ammunition in Michigan for eight years.

Whitmer insists the new laws are about protecting women. “Keeping Michiganders – especially young women – safe and healthy is a top priority, and these bills will take long overdue steps to protect individuals from abuse,” she said in a press release from her office.

A careful reading of the bills proves these bills are not designed for public protection as much as to make it easier for more people to be convicted of misdemeanors for which the government has the power to confiscate weapons by force.

“It goes well beyond domestic violence and [adds] about 100 misdemeanors to the list,” said Rep. Phil Green (R-Millington) in a statement to the Tribune. “This is a complete gun grab that advances the left's assault on our constitutional rights.”

If the motive behind the law is safety and not gun confiscation, it is curious as to why democrats refused to support republican-sponsored bills in the house and senate aimed not at gun owners, but at criminals and proven specific school safety measures.

“The democrats voted down our plan to give prosecutors money to reduce their caseloads and to give schools money for cameras, electronic lock systems, and door blocks,” Senator Kevin Daley (R-Lapeer) said in a statement to the Tribune.

Daley went on to say, “If democrats were serious about reducing gun violence, they would insist that soft-on-crime prosecutors enforce the gun laws we already have, and they'd give schools the resources they need to make buildings safe from criminals.”

The three bills Whitmer signed last week are also mostly absent of any protection for the accused. Daley added, “These 'red flag' bills don't even include guaranteed right to legal counsel!”

In a press release, Michigan State Police Director, Col. James F. Grady II, voiced strong support for the new laws by saying, “These bills give our troopers a valuable tool in the fight to keep survivors of domestic violence safe.”

One might wonder whether Col. Grady, the few republicans who voted in favor of the bills, or the rest of the media in the country have actually read the bills. The Tribune has read these bills, and here's what they say:

Senate Bill 528 redefines dozens of misdemeanors to be included into a new, expanded “domestic violence” class of misdemeanors. Senate Bill 528 includes many non-violent offenses that do not cause any physical harm to anyone.

House Bill 4945 updates the sentencing guidelines to prohibit those convicted of domestic violence as redefined in SB 528 from buying or owning any firearm or ammunition for eight years.

Senate Bill 471 prohibits the possession or use of firearms and ammunition by persons convicted of a misdemeanor involving domestic violence. This bill also allows law enforcement to confiscate all guns and ammunition owned by these individuals and applies to people who have been convicted of any domestic violence misdemeanor as defined in Senate Bill 528.

According to SB 528, all of the following are considered “domestic violence” if done against someone with whom the defendant is currently or has been in a domestic relationship (among other crimes):

Entering any vacant and unlocked structure belonging to the domestic partner without permission.

Annoying or “disturb[ing] the peace and quiet of another person” through a telecommunications service or device.

Damaging personal property, even if the damage is less than $200.

Engaging in what the victim believes to be harassing behavior that the victim claims caused “emotional distress.”

Using “vulgar, indecent, obscene, or offensive language... through the use of a telecommunications device.”

Shutting off the other's telecommunications service.

Sec. 115 (1) says “any individual who breaks and enters or enters without breaking, any dwelling, house, tent... barn... boat... railroad car... out-building... [or] ice shanty with a value of $100.00 or more... whether occupied or unoccupied, without first obtaining permission to enter from the person having immediate control thereof, is guilty of a misdemeanor.”

So, if a person enters any structure exceeding $100 in value owned by his or her current or former partner without permission, he or she is guilty of a domestic violence misdemeanor.

Sec 377a says that someone who “willfully and maliciously destroys or injures the personal property of another person,” when the owner of that personal property is a current or former domestic partner, is guilty of a domestic violence misdemeanor.

This applies even if the damage is less than $200. Sec 377a (1)(3) says, “If the amount of the destruction or injury is less than $200, the person is guilty of a misdemeanor...”

Sec 411h defines a class of misdemeanors where a judge can convict an individual of stalking or harassment if there is a “pattern of conduct composed of a series of 2 or more separate noncontinuous acts (Sec. 411h. (a)) that causes “emotional distress,” which Sec. 411h. (c) defines as, “significant mental suffering or distress that may, but does not necessarily, require medical or other professional treatment or counseling.”

The most vague and open-to-a-spectrum-of-legal-interpretation is Sec. 540E (1), which states, “A person who maliciously uses any service provided by a telecommunications service provider with intent to terrorize, frighten, intimidate, threaten, harass, molest, or annoy another person, or to disturb the peace and quiet of another person by doing any of the following is guilty of a misdemeanor.”

The Tribune has researched dictionary definitions of domestic violence and has yet to encounter being annoying or disturbing the peace and quiet of another person as aspects of domestic violence. However, in Michigan today, if you do it over a telecommunications device, you are guilty of a domestic violence misdemeanor.

The list of actions that qualify as misdemeanor malicious use of telecommunications service includes shutting off or not paying for a domestic partner's telecommunications service (Sec. 540e (c)), “using vulgar, indecent, obscene, or offensive language... through the use of a telecommunications device (d),” and repeatedly calling and hanging up (e).

All of these non-violent misdemeanors are now considered, along with legitimately violent acts, to be “domestic violence” in the State of Michigan and anyone convicted of them could have their firearms confiscated from them by force and will be unable to purchase or own any firearm or ammunition for 8 years after their conviction.

The new bills do not apply retroactively, and only affect those who will be convicted under the new laws.

Whitmer is likely not close to being done with what many believe are “attacks” against Michiganders' Second Amendment rights. She has yet to sign SB 83-86, which passed the House and Senate prior to their early adjournment this year and establish a new type of court order, called “Extreme Protection Order (EPO).”

If Whitmer signs these bills into law, judges will be able to use EPOs to immediately confiscate firearms from someone determined to be a threat to themselves or others without trial and with limited opportunity for defense. Fees for service of documents related to these orders are prohibited, making it easy and free for anyone to petition for an Extreme Protection Order.

The Tribune will report in more depth on SB 83-86 as more information is released.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: 2a; 2ndamendment; banglist; beotch; governorshinyface; gretchenwhitmer; gungrabber; jackbootjimgrady; jamesfgradyii; michigan; secondamendment; whitmer; witchmer; wretchedwhitler
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To: unixfox

Three other letters.

And we all know what they are.


61 posted on 11/29/2023 5:45:04 PM PST by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: VanShuyten

Governor Gretchen Whitmer’s televised and internet comments both frighten and annoy me ...


62 posted on 11/29/2023 5:46:58 PM PST by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: VanShuyten

or to disturb the peace and quiet of another person
= = =

Calling on the phone may do this - ring ring.


63 posted on 11/29/2023 5:47:14 PM PST by Scrambler Bob
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To: PROCON

Simply incredible.

They’re telling us where they want to go


64 posted on 11/29/2023 5:48:10 PM PST by SheepWhisperer (Get involved with, or start a home fellowship group. It will be the final church. ACTS 2:42-47)
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To: CivilWarBrewing; frank ballenger; odawg; escapefromboston; basalt; Gritty; madison10
The scope of election theft (local, state and federal) in this country is so pervasive it astounds me how ANY FReeper makes comments such as above.

A shadowy "voters rights" group did an FOIA request for the Michigan 2016 presidential ballots.

The red Michigan counties provided the ballots in the summer of 2018 - but the blue Michigan counties were "too large" to give them over until early 2019 - after the 2018 "election".

Result?

A Blue Wave in the red Michigan counties - but no Blue Wave in the blue Michigan counties.

Imagine that...

65 posted on 11/29/2023 5:50:13 PM PST by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: Dr. Franklin

The only reason I didn’t go to jail one night is my neighbor is the chief of the fire department.


66 posted on 11/29/2023 5:50:53 PM PST by Keyhopper (Indians had bad immigration laws)
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To: Paladin2
There’s nothing between her ears.

Oh yes there is... There's a whole lot of authoritarian Marxism between her ears.

67 posted on 11/29/2023 5:51:01 PM PST by Bullish (...And just like that, I was dropped from the ping-list)
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To: Gritty

Why the cops biatch. Why aren’t you “brave and courageous” politician ahos coming to pick them up? To cowardly? You don’t know how to use a gun to return fire? Which is it?


68 posted on 11/29/2023 5:57:44 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (It wasn't "genocide" when Hamas did it. Hypocrites!!!)
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To: Gritty; Cletus.D.Yokel

Tyrantasarous michigander


69 posted on 11/29/2023 5:59:11 PM PST by thinden (buckle up ....)
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To: Gritty

As a data point, most counties have now explicitly declared they’re not playing.

This is a source but not the only one; just picked one of the articles noting the latest.

https://www.theblaze.com/news/michigan-township-forms-militia-to-protect-citizens-2nd-amendment

“The Holland Sentinel indicated earlier this year that well over 50 of Michigan’s 83 counties have adopted resolutions declaring themselves Second Amendment sanctuaries or at the very least reaffirming their support for gun rights. Several townships and at least one city have followed suit.”


70 posted on 11/29/2023 6:15:37 PM PST by No.6
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To: NorthMountain
"Heil Whitmer!"


71 posted on 11/29/2023 6:33:06 PM PST by clearcarbon (Fraudulent elections have consequences.)
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To: Gritty

Gretch,
In words you can understand... F.U.


72 posted on 11/29/2023 7:36:34 PM PST by herewego (Got .45?)
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To: Gritty
...and more and more women wonder why men won't wife them up.

Fewer and fewer men are willing to sign a contract that has the State become a hostile third party to the agreement, especially when sociopaths like Heil Whitmer represent the unwanted third party.

73 posted on 11/29/2023 7:57:16 PM PST by T.B. Yoits
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To: Gritty

If the female partner
initiates the argument,
wouldn’t that be considered
entrapment?
Also, an ice shanty (fish
house) is now female
sovereign ground? The
Male partner is going to
have to build two. (his
and hers), to protect
his right to own a firearm.
Hope the ladies enjoy
fishing alone.....


74 posted on 11/29/2023 10:54:17 PM PST by Lean-Right (Eat More Moose)
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To: crusty old prospector

They use to burn these biotches at the stake back in the day


75 posted on 11/30/2023 4:05:01 AM PST by ronnie raygun
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To: thinden

On those rare occasions that I wore a mask. I had a handwritten message on the front:

“My governor is tyrannical c*nt” (no asterisk).
I had one person tell me that I couldn’t wear “that” in the store.
I took it off and continued shopping.
I laughed...Karens gasped.


76 posted on 11/30/2023 5:34:39 AM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (When I say "We" I speak of, -not for-, "We the People")
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

On those rare occasions that I wore a mask. I had a handwritten message on the front:

“My governor is tyrannical c*nt” (no asterisk).
I had one person tell me that I couldn’t wear “that” in the store.
I took it off and continued shopping.
I laughed...Karens gasped.

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

no fear


77 posted on 11/30/2023 5:35:55 AM PST by thinden (buckle up ....)
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To: thinden

Pretty much the same way I’ve dealt with Festival.
And, the same message applies.


78 posted on 11/30/2023 5:39:00 AM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (When I say "We" I speak of, -not for-, "We the People")
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To: Gritty

Wish WitchMore would get voted out.


79 posted on 11/30/2023 5:39:03 AM PST by ZULU (DUMP RONA ROMNEY MCDANIELS!!!)
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