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Nikki Haley Continues Her Ascent, Ties DeSantis for 2nd In Iowa’s Gold Standard Poll
mediaite ^ | Oct 30 | Isaac Schorr

Posted on 10/30/2023 10:40:40 AM PDT by RandFan

Republican presidential hopeful and former U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley is continuing to build off of momentum she’s been enjoying since late summer, tying Florida Governor Ron DeSantis for second place in an iteration of Iowa’s gold standard survey released on Monday.

The new Des Moines Register/NBC News poll still indicates that former President Donald Trump holds a sizable lead in the Hawkeye state, where the first primary contest of the 2024 season will be held on January 15.

But Haley’s 16% outstripped her base of support in a poll conducted by the same outlets in August by 10% and tied DeSantis, who lost 3% of his support.

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To: RandFan

Agreed. Wish she would go away. She is an example of everything that is wrong with the McCain, Graham, neocon branch of the Republican Party. Most Americans are getting tired of the endless foreign wars. The “big stick” philosophy of a strong military is intended to stop wars, not endlessly fight them.


21 posted on 10/30/2023 11:07:11 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Proverbs 14:34 Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a disgrace to any people.)
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To: CaptainPhilFan

This issue of Natural Born citizenship comes up regularly on Free Republic.

Some Freepers say , that both of your parents must have been American citizens at the time of your birth , for you to be a natural born citizen.

Other Freepers say, as long as you yourself were born in America ,that makes you an American citizen ,regardless of the citizenship status of your parents.

We have many opinionated Freepers on both sides of this issue. Both sets of Freepers cannot be right. Which Freepers are we supposed to believe?


22 posted on 10/30/2023 11:07:53 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego (.)
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To: RandFan

Far left Mediaite loves Nikki the Neocon.


23 posted on 10/30/2023 11:08:53 AM PDT by Luke21
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To: Reno89519

How long before Karl Rove becomes a Nikki acolyte?


24 posted on 10/30/2023 11:09:29 AM PDT by BrexitBen
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To: RandFan

Oh noes! Mr. DeSantis, ditch the heel lifts and go for some Walkaroos!


25 posted on 10/30/2023 11:10:10 AM PDT by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51; Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artII-S1-C5-1/ALDE_00013692/ ... re presidential qualification. Iirc Haley was born in SC.


26 posted on 10/30/2023 11:26:46 AM PDT by GAgal
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To: RandFan
Notice how the media frames the story in the headline. Haley "continues her assent." Yeah, right. In comparison to what, exactly? Wile E. Coyote before he runs off the cliff?


27 posted on 10/30/2023 11:27:29 AM PDT by Avalon Memories (Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats. -- P.J. O’Rourke)
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To: RandFan

Lol.

Ascending to 8%.


28 posted on 10/30/2023 11:43:22 AM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: RandFan
Haley and DeSantis fighting over second place? Trump is so far ahead there is no second place.
29 posted on 10/30/2023 11:43:27 AM PDT by Widget Jr (🇺🇸 Trump 2024 🇺🇸)
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To: RandFan

The clash of the 👠 👠 s


30 posted on 10/30/2023 11:48:19 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Fraud vitiates everything)
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To: RandFan

Would be interesting, to have Lara Logan debating both DeSantis and Haley.


31 posted on 10/30/2023 11:49:50 AM PDT by linMcHlp
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To: Dilbert San Diego

If you are born here you are a citizen and can run and even bring your family here as a anchor baby. The courts uphold this dogma.

The NBC cult is similar to the defunct Sovereign Citizen lunacy of years past. Several “sovereign citizens” went to prison for tax evasion for following that unique legal theory.

Basically NBC a harmless obsession if a bit daft. Promoting this issue is as effective politically as yelling at clouds or baying at the moon. Much effort was put into it during the Obozo Era and went no where.


32 posted on 10/30/2023 11:50:23 AM PDT by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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To: dynachrome

She will not get a single vote below the Mason-Dixon line.


33 posted on 10/30/2023 12:07:23 PM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dreams)
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To: Macho MAGA Man

“She needs to be confronted about her non-natural born Citizen status. She’s not eligible for Article 2 Section 1 to be president.”

If a tragic fluke happened and she was the nominee, the Dems would get a judge somewhere to disqualify her from running and do it at the worst possible time for the Republicans.


34 posted on 10/30/2023 12:10:06 PM PDT by rxh4n1
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To: RandFan

Ineligible to the office.


35 posted on 10/30/2023 12:11:01 PM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts )
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To: RandFan

It’s amazing how Left-wing POS media sources like Mediaite now get excited about Nikki Haley.

In a completely hypothetical, fantasy world where Haley wins the nomination, Mediaite will suddenly trash her like propaganda is going out of style. Just something to keep in mind.


36 posted on 10/30/2023 12:13:03 PM PDT by Bishop_Malachi (Liberal Socialism - A philosophy which advocates spreading a low standard of living equally.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego; NorthMountain; Macho MAGA Man; CaptainPhilFan
[NorthMountain #7] Nimrata Randhawa, the grandmother of “cancel culture”, is not eligible to be President of the United States.

[Macho MAGA Man #14] She needs to be confronted about her non-natural born Citizen status. She’s not eligible for Article 2 Section 1 to be president.

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[CaptainPhilFan #17] Her parents were not US citizens when she was born, and I cannot find any date that they DID become US citizens.

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The broad is simply ineligible to be prez or veep.

So since now we’re all just ignoring American law I’ma go rob a bank. BBL.

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[Dilbert San Diego (.) #22] We have many opinionated Freepers on both sides of this issue. Both sets of Freepers cannot be right. Which Freepers are we supposed to believe?

One could always choose to side with reality. Charles Curtis (1929-1933) was not born in any state of the United States. Chester Arthur was Vice-President, the son of an alien father. Chester Arthur was President, the son on an alien father. Barack Obama was President, the son of an alien father. Kamala Harris is Vice President, the daughter of alien parents.

Or one could side with the courts which have ruled against the birthers over 200 consecutive times.

There are two classes of citizen, and two only: natural born and naturalized. A naturalized citizen is a foreign-born person who attains citizenship by law. A natural born citizen is one who attains citizenship at birth.

Black's Law Dictionary, 11th Ed.

citizen, n. (14c) 1. Someone who, by either birth or naturalization, is a member of a political community, owing allegiance to the community and being entitled to enjoy all its civil rights and protections; a member of the civil state, entitled to all its privileges. Cf. resident, n.; domiciliary, n.

What happens when birther blather goes to court and meets actual law and precedent. A losing record of futility of 0-226.

https://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence/BIRTHER%2520CASE%2520LIST.pdf

The BIRTHER SCORECARD lists all the birther cases, the result, and the result of any appeal.

Ankeny v. Indiana was a case which directly addressed the birther nonsense about Natural Born Citizen and two citizen parents.

Ankeny v Governor Of State Of Indiana

No. 49A02-0904-CV-353.

916 N.E.2d 678 (2009)

Steve ANKENY and Bill Kruse, Appellants-Plaintiffs, v. GOVERNOR OF the STATE OF INDIANA, Appellee-Respondent.

Court of Appeals of Indiana.

November 12, 2009.

Attorney(s) appearing for the Case

Steve Ankeny, New Castle, IN, Bill Kruse, Roselawn, IN, Appellants pro se.

Gregory F. Zoeller, Attorney General of Indiana, Frances Barrow, Deputy Attorney General, Indianapolis, IN, Attorneys for Appellee.

OPINION

BROWN, Judge.

Steve Ankeny and Bill Kruse (collectively, "Plaintiffs"), pro se, appeal the trial court's grant of a motion to dismiss filed by Mitch Daniels, in his official capacity as the Governor of the State of Indiana ("Governor"). Plaintiffs raise nine issues, which we revise and restate as whether the trial court erred by granting the motion to dismiss under Ind. Trial Rule 12(B)(6). [1] We affirm. [2]

[916 N.E.2d 680]

The relevant facts follow. On December 9, 2008, Plaintiffs filed a "PETITION FOR EXTRAORDINARY WRIT OF PROHIBITION" against the Governor [3] to prevent the Governor "from issuing a 'Certificate of Ascertainment,' or any other document, to Congress of the United States containing any popular votes for Barack Obama and Joe Biden for the appointment as Chief Electors . . . [or] John McCain and Sarah Palin for the appointment of Electors." Appellants' Appendix at 6. On January 30, 2009, the Governor filed a motion to dismiss alleging in part that "the Plaintiffs have failed to state a claim upon which relief can be granted." Appellee's Appendix at 1. The Governor also filed a memorandum in support of the motion to dismiss. On February 17, 2009, the Plaintiffs filed their opposition to the Governor's motion to dismiss. On March 16, 2009, the trial court granted the Governor's motion to dismiss after a hearing. On April 13, 2009, the Plaintiffs filed their notice of appeal.

The sole issue is whether the trial court erred when it dismissed Plaintiffs' complaint. A motion to dismiss for failure to state a claim tests the legal sufficiency of the claim, not the facts supporting it. General Cas. Ins. Co. v. Bright, 885 N.E.2d 56, 57 (Ind.Ct.App. 2008) (citing Charter One Mortg. Corp. v. Condra, 865 N.E.2d 602, 604 (Ind.2007)). Thus, our review of a trial court's grant or denial of a motion based on Trial Rule 12(B)(6) is de novo. Id. at 58. When reviewing a motion to dismiss, we view the pleadings in the light most favorable to the nonmoving party, with every reasonable inference construed in the nonmovant's favor. Id. A complaint may not be dismissed for failure to state a claim upon which relief can be granted unless it is clear on the face of the complaint that the complaining party is not entitled to relief. [4]

[916 N.E.2d 681]

Id. However, a court need not accept as true any "conclusory, non-factual assertions or legal conclusions." Irish v. Woods, 864 N.E.2d 1117, 1120 (Ind.Ct.App. 2007). "Thus, while we do not test the sufficiency of the facts alleged with regards to their adequacy to provide recovery, we do test their sufficiency with regards to whether or not they have stated some factual scenario in which a legally actionable injury has occurred." Trail v. Boys and Girls Clubs of Northwest Indiana, 845 N.E.2d 130, 134 (Ind.2006).

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B. Natural Born Citizen

Second, the Plaintiffs argue that both President Barack Obama and Senator John McCain are not "natural born Citizens" as required for qualification to be President under Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 [9] of the U.S. Constitution, and that therefore because neither person was constitutionally eligible to become President, "[t]he Governor . . . should [have been] prohibited by order of [the trial court] . . . from issuing any certificate of ascertainment, or any other certified statement, under the State Seal of the State of Indiana. . . ." Appellants' Appendix at 13.

Before addressing the Plaintiffs' specific arguments, we think it helpful to point out the context in which this claim arises. Leading up to the 2008 Presidential Election and in the ensuing months after, a number of lawsuits were filed nationwide challenging both President Barack Obama and Senator John McCain's [10] status as "natural born Citizens" under Article II of the U.S. Constitution. See, e.g., Berg v. Obama, 574 F.Supp.2d 509 (E.D.Pa.2008);

[916 N.E.2d 685]

Hollander v. McCain, 566 F.Supp.2d 63 (D.N.H.2008); Cohen v. Obama, No. 08-2150, 2008 WL 5191864 (D.D.C. Dec.11, 2008), aff'd by 332 Fed.Appx. 640, 2009 WL 2870668 (D.C.Cir. Sept.8, 2009); Wrotnowski v. Bysiewicz, 289 Conn. 522, 958 A.2d 709 (2008). As to President Obama's status, the most common argument has been waged by members of the so-called "birther" movement who suggest that the President was not born in the United States; they support their argument by pointing to "the President's alleged refusal to disclose publicly an 'official birth certificate' that is satisfactory to [the birthers]." Rhodes v. MacDonald, No. 409-CV-106CDL, 2009 WL 2997605, at *1 (M.D.Ga. Sept. 16, 2009), reconsideration denied by 2009 WL 3111834 (M.D.Ga. Sept.18, 2009).

The bases of the Plaintiffs' arguments come from such sources as FactCheck.org, The Rocky Mountain News, an eighteenth century treatise by Emmerich de Vattel titled "The Law of Nations," and various citations to nineteenth century congressional debate. [11] For the reasons stated below, we hold that the Plaintiffs' arguments fail to state a claim upon which relief can be granted, and that therefore the trial court did not err in dismissing the Plaintiffs' complaint.

Section 1 of the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution governs who is a citizen of the United States. It provides that "[a]ll persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States . . . ." U.S. CONST. amend XIV, § 1. Article II has a special requirement to assume the Presidency: that the person be a "natural born Citizen." U.S. CONST. art. II, § 1, cl. 4. The United States Supreme Court has read these two provisions in tandem and held that "[t]hus new citizens may be born or they may be created by naturalization." Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. (21 Wall.) 162, 167, 22 L.Ed. 627 (1874). In Minor, written only six years after the Fourteenth Amendment was ratified, the Court observed that:

The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. For the purposes of this case it is not necessary to solve these doubts.

[916 N.E.2d 686]

Id. at 167-168, 22 L.Ed. 627. Thus, the Court left open the issue of whether a person who is born within the United States of alien parents is considered a natural born citizen. [12]

Then, in U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649, 18 S.Ct. 456, 42 L.Ed. 890 (1898), the United States Supreme Court confronted the question of "whether a child born in the United States, of parents of Chinese descent, who at the time of his birth are subject to the emperor of China. . . becomes at the time of his birth a citizen of the United States, by virtue of the first clause of the fourteenth amendment. . . ." 169 U.S. at 653, 18 S.Ct. at 458. We find this case instructive. The Court in Wong Kim Ark reaffirmed Minor in that the meaning of the words "citizen of the United States" and "natural-born citizen of the United States" "must be interpreted in the light of the common law, the principles and history of which were familiarly known to the framers of the constitution." Id. at 654, 18 S.Ct. at 459. They noted that "[t]he interpretation of the constitution of the United States is necessarily influenced by the fact that its provisions are framed in the language of the English common law, and are to be read in the light of its history." Id. at 655, 18 S.Ct. at 459 (quoting Smith v. Alabama, 124 U.S. 465, 478, 8 S.Ct. 564, 569, 31 L.Ed. 508 (1888)). The Wong Kim Ark Court explained:

The fundamental principle of the common law with regard to English nationality was birth within the allegiance—also called 'ligealty,' 'obedience,' 'faith,' or 'power'—of the king. The principle embraced all persons born within the king's allegiance, and subject to his protection. Such allegiance and protection were mutual,—as expressed in the maxim, 'Protectio trahit subjectionem, et subjectio protectionem,'—and were not restricted to natural-born subjects and naturalized subjects, or to those who had taken an oath of allegiance; but were predicable of aliens in amity, so long as they were within the kingdom. Children, born in England, of such aliens, were therefore natural-born subjects. But the children, born within the realm, of foreign ambassadors, or the children of alien enemies, born during and within their hostile occupation of part of the king's dominions, were not natural-born subjects, because not born within the allegiance, the obedience, or the power, or, as would be said at this day, within the jurisdiction, of the king.

This fundamental principle, with these qualifications or explanations of it, was clearly, though quaintly, stated in the leading case known as 'Calvin's Case,' or the 'Case of the Postnati,' decided in 1608, after a hearing in the exchequer chamber before the lord chancellor and all the judges of England, and reported by Lord Coke and by Lord Ellesmere. Calvin's Case, 7 Coke, 1, 4b-6a, 18a, 18b; Ellesmere, Postnati, 62-64; s. c. 2 How. St. Tr. 559, 607, 613-617, 639, 640, 659, 679.

The English authorities ever since are to the like effect. Co. Litt. 8a, 128b; Lord Hale, in Harg. Law Tracts, 210, and in 1 Hale, P.C. 61, 62; 1 Bl. Comm. 366, 369, 370, 374; 4 Bl. Comm. 74, 92; Lord Kenyon, in Doe v. Jones, 4 Term R. 300, 308; Cockb. Nat. 7; Dicey, Confl. Laws, pp. 173-177, 741.

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Lord Chief Justice Cockburn . . . said: 'By the common law of England, every person born within the dominions of the crown, no matter whether of English or of foreign parents, and, in the latter case, whether the parents were settled, or merely temporarily sojourning, in the country, was an English subject, save only the children of foreign ambassadors (who were excepted because their fathers carried their own nationality with them), or a child born to a foreigner during the hostile occupation of any part of the territories of England. No effect appears to have been given to descent as a source of nationality.' Cockb. Nat. 7.

Mr. Dicey, in his careful and thoughtful Digest of the Law of England with Reference to the Conflict of Laws, published in 1896, states the following propositions, his principal rules being printed below in italics: "British subject' means any person who owes permanent allegiance to the crown. 'Permanent' allegiance is used to distinguish the allegiance of a British subject from the allegiance of an alien, who, because he is within the British dominions, owes 'temporary' allegiance to the crown. 'Natural-born British subject' means a British subject who has become a British subject at the moment of his birth.' `Subject to the exceptions hereinafter mentioned, any person who (whatever the nationality of his parents) is born within the British dominions is a natural-born British subject. This rule contains the leading principle of English law on the subject of British nationality.' The exceptions afterwards mentioned by Mr. Dicey are only these two: '(1) Any person who (his father being an alien enemy) is born in a part of the British dominions, which at the time of such person's birth is in hostile occupation, is an alien.' '(2) Any person whose father (being an alien) is at the time of such person's birth an ambassador or other diplomatic agent accredited to the crown by the sovereign of a foreign state is (though born within the British dominions) an alien.' And he adds: 'The exceptional and unimportant instances in which birth within the British dominions does not of itself confer British nationality are due to the fact that, though at common law nationality or allegiance in substance depended on the place of a person's birth, it in theory at least depended, not upon the locality of a man's birth, but upon his being born within the jurisdiction and allegiance of the king of England; and it might occasionally happen that a person was born within the dominions without being born within the allegiance, or, in other words, under the protection and control of the crown.' Dicey, Confl. Laws, pp. 173-177, 741.

It thus clearly appears that by the law of England for the last three centuries, beginning before the settlement of this country, and continuing to the present day, aliens, while residing in the dominions possessed by the crown of England, were within the allegiance, the obedience, the faith or loyalty, the protection, the power, and the jurisdiction of the English sovereign; and therefore every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject, unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign state, or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born.

III. The same rule was in force in all the English colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the constitution as originally established. [13]

[916 N.E.2d 688]

Id. at 655-658, 18 S.Ct. at 459-460.

Also, as quoted in Wong Kim Ark, Justice Joseph Story once declared in Inglis v. Trustees of Sailors' Snug Harbor, 28 U.S. (3 Pet.) 99, 7 L.Ed. 617 (1830), that "Nothing is better settled at the common law than the doctrine that the children, even of aliens, born in a country, while the parents are resident there under the protection of the government, and owing a temporary allegiance thereto, are subjects by birth." Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. at 660, 18 S.Ct. at 461 (quoting Inglis, 28 U.S. (3 Pet.) at 164 (Story, J., concurring)). The Court also cited Justice Curtis's dissent in Dred Scott v. Sandford, 60 U.S. (19 How.) 393, 15 L.Ed. 691 (1856):

The first section of the second article of the constitution uses the language, 'a natural-born citizen.' It thus assumes that citizenship may be acquired by birth. Undoubtedly, this language of the constitution was used in reference to that principle of public law, well understood in this country at the time of the adoption of the constitution, which referred citizenship to the place of birth.

Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. at 662, 18 S.Ct. at 462 (quoting Dred Scott, 60 U.S. (19 How.) at 576 (Curtis, J., dissenting)).

The Court in Wong Kim Ark also cited authority which notes that:

All persons born in the allegiance of the king are natural-born subjects, and all persons born in the allegiance of the United States are natural-born citizens. Birth and allegiance go together. Such is the rule of the common law, and it is the common law of this country, as well as of England. We find no warrant for the opinion that this great principle of the common law has ever been changed in the United States. It has always obtained here with the same vigor, and subject only to the same exceptions, since as before the Revolution.

Id. at 662-663, 18 S.Ct. at 462 (quotations and citations omitted). The Court held that Mr. Wong Kim Ark was a citizen of the United States "at the time of his birth." [14] Id. at 705, 18 S.Ct. at 478.

Based upon the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are "natural born Citizens" for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents. Just as a person "born within the British dominions [was] a natural-born British subject" at the time of the framing of the U.S. Constitution, so too were those "born in the allegiance of the United States [] natural-born citizens." [15]

[916 N.E.2d 689]

The Plaintiffs do not mention the above United States Supreme Court authority in their complaint or brief; they primarily rely instead on an eighteenth century treatise and quotations of Members of Congress made during the nineteenth century. To the extent that these authorities conflict with the United States Supreme Court's interpretation of what it means to be a natural born citizen, we believe that the Plaintiffs' arguments fall under the category of "conclusory, non-factual assertions or legal conclusions" that we need not accept as true when reviewing the grant of a motion to dismiss for failure to state a claim. Irish, 864 N.E.2d at 1120. Thus, we cannot say that the trial court erred when it dismissed the Plaintiffs' case. [16] See generally McCalment v. Eli Lilly & Co., 860 N.E.2d 884 (Ind.Ct.App. 2007) (holding that the plaintiffs' arguments had been sufficiently addressed by Indiana Supreme Court precedent and therefore the trial court did not err when it granted the defendant's motion to dismiss for failure to state a claim upon which relief can be granted); see also, e.g., Diaz-Salazar v. I.N.S., 700 F.2d 1156, 1160 (7th Cir.1983) (noting in its recitation of the facts that despite the fact father was not a citizen of the United States, he had children who were "natural-born citizens of the United States"), cert. denied 462 U.S. 1132, 103 S.Ct. 3112, 77 L.Ed.2d 1367 (1983).

For the foregoing reasons, we affirm the trial court's grant of the Governor's motion to dismiss.

Affirmed.

CRONE, J., and MAY, J., concur.

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FootNotes

1. We note that pro se litigants, such as Plaintiffs, "are held to the same standard as licensed lawyers." Novatny v. Novatny, 872 N.E.2d 673, 677 n. 3 (Ind.Ct.App.2007). This court will not "indulge in any benevolent presumptions on [their] behalf, or waive any rule for the orderly and proper conduct of [their] appeal." Foley v. Mannor, 844 N.E.2d 494, 496 n. 1 (Ind.Ct.App.2006).

Thus, we will attempt to address the issues raised by Plaintiffs. To the extent that Plaintiffs raise additional issues, the Plaintiffs fail to develop a cogent argument and cite to authority. Consequently, the arguments are waived. See, e.g., Loomis v. Ameritech, 764 N.E.2d 658, 668 (Ind.Ct.App.2002) (holding argument waived for failure to cite authority or provide cogent argument), reh'g denied, trans. denied.

2. The trial court also granted the Governor's motion to dismiss on the bases of mootness under Ind. Trial Rule 12(B)(1) and the equitable doctrine of laches. Because we find that Plaintiffs failed to state a claim upon which relief can be granted under T.R. 12(B)(6), we need not address the trial court's alternative grounds for dismissal.

3. The Complaint also named the Democratic National Committee, Barack Obama, the Republican National Committee, and John McCain as defendants. The Plaintiffs state, without citation to the record, that "only the Governor of the State of Indiana accepted Service of Summons." Appellants' Brief at 3. We note that the Plaintiffs' case summary lists only the Governor as appellee, the Plaintiffs' notice of appeal lists only the Governor as defendant, and the Plaintiffs' briefs contain certificates of service indicating that the briefs were served upon only the governor.

4. In his brief, the Governor argues that the motion to dismiss included an affidavit, and therefore because "matters outside the pleadings [were] presented to the court on a 12(B)(6) motion, the motion shall be treated as one for summary judgment under T.R. 56. T.R. 12(B)." Appellee's Brief at 6. While true that the general rule is that when a motion to dismiss for failure to state a claim under T.R. 12(B)(6) is supplemented with materials outside the pleadings it should be treated as a motion for summary judgment, we note that:

[W]hen examination of the face of a complaint alone reveals that the plaintiff will not be entitled to relief under any set of circumstances, consideration of external materials aimed at substantiating or contradicting the complaint's factual allegations is irrelevant, because a fortiori the complaint fails to state a claim upon which relief can be granted under any factual scenario. In that instance, the trial court should exclude material outside the pleadings which are submitted with a 12(B)(6) motion, rather than convert the motion into one for summary judgment, because the external material are irrelevant to the motion.

Dixon v. Siwy, 661 N.E.2d 600, 603 (Ind.Ct. App.1996). In this case, there is no evidence that the trial court considered the material contained in the affidavit prepared by J. Bradley King, Co-Director for the Indiana Election Division, which contains nine paragraphs explaining the vote-tallying process actually carried out following the November 4, 2008 election. The affidavit was not relevant to the trial court's order granting the Governor's motion to dismiss. Thus, it was proper for the trial court to exclude this affidavit and handle the Governor's motion as a motion to dismiss for failure to state a claim rather than one for summary judgment. See Trail v. Boys and Girls Clubs of Northwest Indiana, 845 N.E.2d 130, 134, 140 (Ind.2006) (affirming the trial court's grant of a motion to dismiss under Rule 12(B)(6) even after the parties "filed several affidavits, exhibits, and briefs").

5. The date of the election was chosen pursuant to Ind.Code § 3-10-2-1, which states that "[a] general election shall be held on the first Tuesday after the first Monday in November in each even-numbered year. . . ."

6. The Democratic Party's candidates for Indiana electors were: (1) Jeffrey L. Chidester, of Valparaiso; (2) Owen "Butch" Morgan, of South Bend; (3) Michelle Boxell, of Warsaw; (4) Charlotte Martin, of Indianapolis; (5) Jerry J. Lux, of Shelbyville; (6) Connie Southworth, of Salamonia; (7) Alan P. Hogan, of Indianapolis; (8) Myrna E. Brown, of Vincennes; (9) Clarence Benjamin Leatherbury, of Salem; (10) Daniel J. Parker, of Indianapolis; and (11) Cordelia Lewis Burks, of Indianapolis. The Republican Party's candidates for Indiana electors were: (1) Chuck Williams, of Valparaiso; (2) Edward Smith, of Galveston; (3) Barbara Krisher, of Fort Wayne; (4) Daniel Bortner, of Bedford; (5) Virginia Marner, of Kokomo; (6) Susan Lightle, of Greenfield; (7) Pearl Swanigan, of Indianapolis; (8) William Springer, of Sullivan; (9) David Buskill, of Jeffersonville; (10) Samual Wayne Goodman, of Greenwood; and (11) Juana Watson, of Columbus. Appellants' Appendix at 21-22; see also 2008 Presidential Elector Candidates, available at http://www.in.gov/sos/elections/files/2008_Presidential_Elector_Candidate_ List.pdf (last visited Oct. 8, 2009).

7. The Archivist of the United States transmits copies "to the two Houses of Congress . . . of each and every such certificate so received.. . ." 3 U.S.C. § 6.

8. The electors prepare the certificates in accordance with 3 U.S.C. §§ 6, 9-11.

9. The Plaintiffs cite the "natural born Citizen" clause as Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the U.S. Constitution, but it is properly cited as Article II, Section 1, Clause 4. See also Ind.Code § 3-8-1-6.

10. The United States Senate passed a resolution on April 30, 2008 which explicitly recognized Senator John McCain as a natural born citizen. S.J. Res. 511, 110th Cong. (2008). Also, the supposed authority cited by the Plaintiffs to support their claim as to the meaning of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 of the U.S. Constitution does not support the argument that John McCain is not a natural born citizen. Plaintiffs state in their brief that the difference between being a "citizen of the United States" and a "natural born Citizen" "involves having [two] parents of U.S. Citizenship, owing no foreign allegiance." Appellant's Brief at 23. The Plaintiffs then concede that "John McCain . . . qualifie[s] as a 'citizen of the United States,' by being born of [two] parents who were in turn 'citizens of the United States,' and owed no foreign allegiance.. . ." Id. Their brief continues that "John McCain was born 'subject to the jurisdiction' of the United States, but he was not born in one of the 50 States of the Union under Article IV of the Constitution, and thus. . . was not a 'natural born Citizen. . . .'" Id. at 23-24. Plaintiffs do not cite to any authority or develop any cogent legal argument for the proposition that a person must actually be born within one of the fifty States in order to qualify as a natural born citizen, and we therefore do not address Plaintiffs argument as it relates to Senator McCain. See Loomis, 764 N.E.2d at 668.

11. Plaintiffs do not provide pinpoint citations to the congressional debate quotations to which they cite.

12. Note that the Court in Minor contemplates only scenarios where both parents are either citizens or aliens, rather in the case of President Obama, whose mother was a U.S. citizen and father was a citizen of the United Kingdom.

13. According to Westlaw, Wong Kim Ark has been cited to in over 1,000 cases.

14. We note the fact that the Court in Wong Kim Ark did not actually pronounce the plaintiff a "natural born Citizen" using the Constitution's Article II language is immaterial. For all but forty-four people in our nation's history (the forty-four Presidents), the dichotomy between who is a natural born citizen and who is a naturalized citizen under the Fourteenth Amendment is irrelevant. The issue addressed in Wong Kim Ark was whether Mr. Wong Kim Ark was a citizen of the United States on the basis that he was born in the United States. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. at 705, 18 S.Ct. at 478.

15. We reiterate that we do not address the question of natural born citizen status for persons who became United States citizens at birth by virtue of being born of United States citizen parents, despite the fact that they were born abroad. That question was not properly presented to this court. Without addressing the question, however, we note that nothing in our opinion today should be understood to hold that being born within the fifty United States is the only way one can receive natural born citizen status.

16. We note that President Obama is not the first U.S. President born of parents of differing citizenship. Chester A. Arthur, the twenty-first U.S. President, was born of a mother who was a United States citizen and a father who was an Irish citizen. See THOMAS C. REEVES, GENTLEMAN BOSS, THE LIFE OF CHESTER ALAN ARTHUR 3-4 (1975). During the election of 1880, there arose a rumor "that [Arthur] had been born in Canada, rather than in Vermont as he claimed, and was thus constitutionally ineligible to become the Chief Executive." Id. at 3. Although President Arthur's status as a natural born citizen was challenged in the 1880 Presidential Election on the grounds that he was born in Canada rather than Vermont, the argument was not made that because Arthur's father was an Irish citizen he was constitutionally ineligible to be President. See generally id.

37 posted on 10/30/2023 12:13:08 PM PDT by woodpusher
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To: Macho MAGA Man

You keep showing your ignorance. She was born in South Carolina

Quit trying to pretend that the Supreme Court hasn’t already ruled. Do some research and quit looking foolish


38 posted on 10/30/2023 12:14:59 PM PDT by Nifster ( I see puppy dogs in the clouds )
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To: RandFan

Even, jOkeass is better than Sniffer.


39 posted on 10/30/2023 12:15:26 PM PDT by depressed in 06
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To: CaptainPhilFan

That is not what SCOTUS has ruled. Quit being a fool. Do some research and quit pretending you know something when you don’t


40 posted on 10/30/2023 12:16:39 PM PDT by Nifster ( I see puppy dogs in the clouds )
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