Until God steps in:
Posted on 09/18/2023 8:42:25 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
There is a theoretical, magic tipping point for adoption of electric vehicles. Once somewhere between 5 and 10 percent of new car sales are all-electric, some researchers say, huge numbers of drivers will follow. They predict that electric car sales will then soar — to 25 percent, 50 percent and eventually to close to 80 percent of new sales.
Early adopters who love shiny new technologies will be replaced by mainstream consumers just looking for a good deal.
Last year, the United States finally passed that elusive mark — 5 percent of all new cars sold in the fourth quarter were fully electric. And earlier this year, all-electric vehicles made up about 7 percent of new car sales.
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You do realize there's a massive aftermarket business through every part of our economy along with millions of mechanics that will never be able to get up to speed on working on EV's. Then there's the little fender bender that can easily be fixed on ICE vehicles but total EV's.
I'm not against EV's for those who want them. My thing is this transition must happen gradually and organically. It's can't be forced by the climate cult or idiot politicians. I also think hydrogen is better than battery powered EV's. You maintain that great ICE engine sound and any ICE vehicle can be fitted with a hydrogen kit by serious professional installers. It does also have the added complexity of needing mechanics to be highly trained to work on any part of the hydrogen system.
I see your point. But many people have only one automobile which has to be reliable. City people tend to take public transport, subway, taxi, or bus.
Cold weather is very hard on batteries and reduces their efficiency. Too many accidental fires, Resale value of the vehicle when the battery gives out is nil. Recycling costs for the battery will be charged back to the car owner
“Analyst Predict, Titanic is Unsinkable”.
well, let me give my example - I have an older, second hand tesla that I got last year and used it sparingly during winter (as I live up a hill and with snow it can be dicey without snow tires).
However, when I did take it out around 5 to 15 fahrenheit, I noticed a drop in efficiency of around 25%. My gas car’s efficiency dropped by around 10 to 15%.
you are correct that there are a lot of things to improve
Then there's the little fender bender that can easily be fixed on ICE vehicles but total EV's.. That's with Tesla's and their design, which Musk has admitted has a flaw, in making the battery sit within the frame.
One thing I like about hydrogen cars is they simplify the hybrid design over the normal gas hybrid. This is because hydrogen cars are, in effect, EV's but with a different power source (hydrogen fuel cell). In the end a hydrogen car is a hybrid because most of the hydrogen cars have a battery that's larger than a normal car that the car depends on for propulsion like a BEV (battery EV, what we usually think of when we say "EV"). The difference being that the hydrogen fuel cell acts like a generator to keep the battery charged. Contrast that with a gas hybrid which, IMHO, has a complex design of both a gas engine and an electric motor and their supporting components.
If they build a hydrogen hybrid car that's a plugin-hybrid in which the battery portion alone can get 300 miles before you need the hydrogen to go further, then us home solar users would be very interested. I could see charging the battery on days I have good solar, and if the battery is fully charged then use excess solar to run an electrolyzer to generate hydrogen for the next long trip.
I think a lot people think EV’s are clean since they don’t have emissions coming out a tailpipe.
The truth is emissions are still coming out of pipes for that EV, they just aren’t coming out of the EV pipe. They are coming out of power plants that run on natural gas and coal. They are coming out of the machinery that mine the battery components. EV’s basically move the emissions to another location which is why I think they would be good for city dwellers but not rural dwellers.
With the price of electricity skyrocketing, it won’t be any cheaper to run an EV than an ICE vehicle. In fact, once the grid reaches capacity to charge all the EV’s the climate cult wants the people to drive, the electricity will be far more expensive. It’s the only way to curtail the charging of EV’s and reduce their use just like raising the price of gas and diesel reduces their use. I wouldn’t be surprised to see rolling brown outs due to EV charging. Add in hot days to run AC’s and you have the perfect storm for black outs. Then the economy just stops. Also, because all the smart homes and EV’s are connected to the Internet, they can be controlled remotely by some faceless goober who has been told to change thermal settings or not allow EV use. Who wants that kind of control over their lives by an overreaching government or company. These days it appears the government is just an employee of a handful of wealthy companies.
Where I live there companies that want to put in massive solar farms that are ugly to look at, hurt the environment, and hurt the wildlife. They are also hard to recycle so most of them end up in landfills without removing the harmful metals in them.
The Green New Deal sucks for the environment, for the wildlife, and for the people.
Our relationship with our smartphones makes a good analogy here.
When you leave the house how many of you worry over how much juice is left on your phone. I know I do. I’m always fussing with recharging and managing the batteries.
That kind of anxiety (how much charge, where is the next available charge) transposed onto your truck or car is unacceptable and can put you and your family’s safety at risk.
EV sales should be market driven, NOT government coerced (forced into the market prematurely, before the infrastructure is available and convenient for drivers).
the REAL “magic tipping point” is when the bulk of early EV adopters realized they’ve bought a REALLY expensive pig-in-a-poke white elephant and dump their EVs for good ol’ fashioned ICE autos that actually have full utility, and do more than just make short grocery trips in good weather on level roads ...
and don’t forget CURVED TVs!
It's just as likely that they are motivated by their stock portfolio.
I think you might enjoy this video about this guy who builds hydrogen powered muscle cars and trucks as a proof of concept.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAEhhYqMEBE
Solar farms are also just a bad idea in general anyway. The purpose of a large solar farm is to feed the grid. That means the grid is unreliable, which is bad in a big way.
I'm all in favor of decentralized solar (individual families install it for their own use) in the free market (end subsidies and such). In fact I have plenty of solar myself. The difference being that my neighbors don't depend on my solar like they would if it was a solar farm (supplying power to the grid).
About the only way I'd be in support of grid-supplying solar is if we had a way to efficiently scale up and down fossil fueled plants. For example, if a natural gas fueled plant could cheaply run at 20% capacity during a good solar day (because a nearby solar farm was providing most of the power needed) and switch over to 80% or higher capacity later that night after the sun goes down, then that would make sense to have solar put power to the grid. But to my knowledge we don't have that ability. IIRC, even natural gas plants when running in a kind of half-power mode still use up almost as much natural gas as they do when running at full power mode.
Tipping point of clinical insanity.
Until God steps in:
alienated the Saudis.
Much less three quarters of the American population, while currying favor with oh lets say fifty or sixty million illegals residing in this country and sucking the life out of it. Even if the number is only half fifty million it is too many.
That joe biden????????????????????????
Didn’t you see congress pushing a bill to build 30 new nuclear power plants by 2040?? /sarc
In 2022, about 88 percent of all cars sold in Norway were electric cars, including battery-electric vehicles (BEV) and plug-in hybrid electric vehicles (PHEV).
This hasn’t overtaxed Norway’s electricity generation.
Yes, this is Norway, so can’t be directly compared to overall USA, but to a smaller US state.
California doesn't want people to have EVs either. There's few places to even charge them. They want people to take public transportation.
Figures you are a EV “ken”.
A number of people continue to believe colder temperatures lead to worse mpg. This is generally true for a variety of reasons: Cold temperatures lead to lower air pressure in tires, wet roads have increased resistance, cold temperatures lead to thicker lubricants etc. The engine is operating more efficiently (unless we choose to disbelieve 1-Tc/Th) but is working against a host of conditions, that lead to reduced mileage, that occur during the winter. Try picking a spot of road you drive every day. Put your car in neutral at a given speed at a given point. You will coast farther during the summer, with your engine disengaged.
https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/162020/are-internal-combustion-engines-more-efficient-on-cold-days
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