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To: DAC21
When, most likely not if, Toyota comes on line with solid state batteries (as well as other manufactures) then I see this as reality. 700 mile range 10-15 min charge times. Game over.

You do realize there's a massive aftermarket business through every part of our economy along with millions of mechanics that will never be able to get up to speed on working on EV's. Then there's the little fender bender that can easily be fixed on ICE vehicles but total EV's.

I'm not against EV's for those who want them. My thing is this transition must happen gradually and organically. It's can't be forced by the climate cult or idiot politicians. I also think hydrogen is better than battery powered EV's. You maintain that great ICE engine sound and any ICE vehicle can be fitted with a hydrogen kit by serious professional installers. It does also have the added complexity of needing mechanics to be highly trained to work on any part of the hydrogen system.

101 posted on 09/19/2023 6:06:20 AM PDT by Boomer (X-Twitter is NOT a free speech platform. The scummy Marxists are back in charge. )
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To: Boomer
You and I are in agreement on government shouldn't force transition to EV's. But if we're going to do that argument, we should at least get our facts straight.

Then there's the little fender bender that can easily be fixed on ICE vehicles but total EV's.. That's with Tesla's and their design, which Musk has admitted has a flaw, in making the battery sit within the frame.

One thing I like about hydrogen cars is they simplify the hybrid design over the normal gas hybrid. This is because hydrogen cars are, in effect, EV's but with a different power source (hydrogen fuel cell). In the end a hydrogen car is a hybrid because most of the hydrogen cars have a battery that's larger than a normal car that the car depends on for propulsion like a BEV (battery EV, what we usually think of when we say "EV"). The difference being that the hydrogen fuel cell acts like a generator to keep the battery charged. Contrast that with a gas hybrid which, IMHO, has a complex design of both a gas engine and an electric motor and their supporting components.

If they build a hydrogen hybrid car that's a plugin-hybrid in which the battery portion alone can get 300 miles before you need the hydrogen to go further, then us home solar users would be very interested. I could see charging the battery on days I have good solar, and if the battery is fully charged then use excess solar to run an electrolyzer to generate hydrogen for the next long trip.

105 posted on 09/19/2023 6:24:35 AM PDT by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: Boomer

Well said.


156 posted on 09/20/2023 4:06:11 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dreams)
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