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18- to 20-year-olds can’t be barred from buying handguns, judge rules
Washington Post ^ | 5/11/23 | Salvador Rizzo

Posted on 05/11/2023 1:01:49 PM PDT by CFW

A federal judge in Virginia on Wednesday declared unconstitutional a set of federal laws and regulations that prohibit federally licensed firearms dealers from selling handguns to 18- to 20-year olds, finding the measures violated the Second Amendment.

“Because the statutes and regulations in question are not consistent with our Nation’s history and tradition, they, therefore, cannot stand,” U.S. District Judge Robert E. Payne, who sits in Richmond, concluded in a 71-page opinion.

Attorneys on both sides of the case said they expected the Justice Department to appeal the decision and request a stay, which would prevent Payne’s ruling from taking immediate effect while higher courts weigh the case.

Although 18- to 20-year-olds previously could buy handguns in private sales — or have a parent purchase a weapon for them — the decision Wednesday, if left unchallenged, would dismantle a legal framework that for decades has prevented licensed dealers from selling handguns “to teenagers,” said William T. Clark, an attorney with the Giffords Law Center, which filed an amicus brief in the case calling for the laws at issue to be upheld.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; Government; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; bushseniorjudge; firearms; rights; robertepayne; virginia
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1 posted on 05/11/2023 1:01:49 PM PDT by CFW
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To: CFW

Then why can’t they buy alcohol or tobacco?


2 posted on 05/11/2023 1:05:16 PM PDT by Fledermaus (It's time to get rid of the Three McStooges; Mitch, Kevin and Ronna!)
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To: Fledermaus

Not part of the 2nd amendment.


3 posted on 05/11/2023 1:06:51 PM PDT by Bayard
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To: CFW

They can vote, join the military and die for our country but they can’t protect themselves. That’s the lefts thinking.


4 posted on 05/11/2023 1:07:08 PM PDT by ProudDeplorable (Concentrated power has always been the enemy of liberty. ~ Ronald Reagan)
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To: Fledermaus
If we had a 32nd Amendment guaranteeing the right to drink booze, they could.

18 year-olds are still citizens under the law and, barring conviction, cannot be stripped of rights guarantied by the Constitution.

5 posted on 05/11/2023 1:07:24 PM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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To: Fledermaus

Because there is no constitutional amendment on “the right of the people to buy intoxicants shall not be infringed”.


6 posted on 05/11/2023 1:07:50 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Follow the money. Even if it leads you to someplace horrible it will still lead you to the truth.)
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To: Fledermaus

That needs to go too. 18 year olds are old enough to die for their country, to enter into contracts and most importantly for this topic VOTE FOR DEMOCRATS. But we can’t let them have any other rights, nosirree. /sarc.

Either set the age of majority to 21 and enforce it or leave it at 18 and open it up. What we have now is a sick farce.


7 posted on 05/11/2023 1:08:34 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: CFW

Either change the law to reflect what realistic adulthood should be or lower the drinking age to 18. It’s only fair.

Some ‘adults’ never grow up. Baby boomers are a perfect example.

I think it should be 20. 18 year-old killers should not be referred to as ‘teenagers’ as they are in the MSM. An 18 year old serving in the military can receive adult status by virtue of his service. I’d even include married teenagers.


8 posted on 05/11/2023 1:09:35 PM PDT by DIRTYSECRET
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

Yes, frankly I don’t want that kind of amendment. Only sober gun users imo.


9 posted on 05/11/2023 1:10:33 PM PDT by Bayard
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

And there shouldn’t be one!


10 posted on 05/11/2023 1:11:42 PM PDT by No name given (Anonymous is who you’ll know me as)
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To: DIRTYSECRET

What does drinking have to do with the 2nd amendment? No. This is stupid.

I’m completely confused why this connection is being made?


11 posted on 05/11/2023 1:12:39 PM PDT by Bayard
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To: CFW

If an 18 year old is not responsible enough to handle a handgun, then they are also not responsible enough to get drafted to serve in the armed forces (yes I know there isn’t currently a draft, but they are still required to register).


12 posted on 05/11/2023 1:15:32 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Bayard

“What does drinking have to do with the 2nd amendment?”

Both of them are connected to adulthood, the age of responsibility, and the time when a person enters into being able to fully exercise and enjoy the rights of citizenship.

We currently have conflicting legal standards in this country as to when exactly that age is.


13 posted on 05/11/2023 1:17:34 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Spktyr

SHould be 25. If you are on your parents insurance, you don’t have full adult rights.


14 posted on 05/11/2023 1:18:14 PM PDT by redgolum (We are not going to make it, are we. )
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To: Boogieman

No. Both of them are not connected to adulthood.

The 2nd amendment is a guarantee of rights to own and shoot firearms, its not a right of passage.

That argument is ridiculous and not a standard.


15 posted on 05/11/2023 1:18:46 PM PDT by Bayard
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To: Bayard

“The 2nd amendment is a guarantee of rights to own and shoot firearms, its not a right of passage.”

If that were true, then a three year old could stroll (or toddle) into a gun store and walk out with a firearm. Can they? If not, why not?


16 posted on 05/11/2023 1:20:56 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Bayard

I think the only connection is the BATF.


17 posted on 05/11/2023 1:21:29 PM PDT by gundog (It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen. )
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To: gundog

Right, a government bureau, but not any actual connection to the amendment.


18 posted on 05/11/2023 1:24:17 PM PDT by Bayard
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
"Alcohol being necessary to the security of a free state..."

Whiskey Rebellion anyone?

-PJ

19 posted on 05/11/2023 1:24:36 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too ( * LAAP = Left-wing Activist Agitprop Press (formerly known as the MSM))
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To: Fledermaus
"Then why can’t they buy alcohol or tobacco?"

Because neither of those is explicitly protected in the Constitution. YouTube channel "Guns and Gadgets" has a good summary of the decision.

20 posted on 05/11/2023 1:25:38 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog (Not Responding to Seagull Snark)
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