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Video shows sparks and flames well before Ohio train derailment
CBS News via NSN ^ | Feb. 13, 2023 | CBS News

Posted on 02/14/2023 2:24:38 PM PST by libstripper

deo is raising questions for people in East Palestine, Ohio, CBS Pittsburgh reports.

The video, which captured the train 20 miles before it reached the site where it derailed, is raising questions about when the crew knew there was a problem.

The video, obtained by the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, was taken by a security camera at an equipment plant in Salem, Ohio. What appears to be sparks and flames can be seen in the video under one of the train cars as it passes the plant. The National Transportation Safety Board referenced the video at a news conference last week.

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KEYWORDS: derailment; eastpalestine; hotbox; negligence; norfolksouthern; ohio; trainderailment
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To: frank ballenger
My first Bond film was Live and Let Die. I soon after saw Diamonds Are Forever and You Only Live Twice as a double feature in a second run theater. It was strange, seeing Connery as Bond after having accepted Moore as Bond.
21 posted on 02/14/2023 3:15:46 PM PST by Angelino97
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To: Fester Chugabrew; Governor Dinwiddie

Class 1 railroads will all have well maintained defect detectors. But the much greater length of current trains and the way that trains are assembled under Precision Scheduled Railroading may have rendered defect detectors unable to offer much protection.


22 posted on 02/14/2023 3:19:11 PM PST by Pelham (Never Nimrata Nikki Randhawa Haley)
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To: Pelham

I suspect the cause has more to do with lack of maintenance. All of those that “can do” have retired or been pushed out and replaced with “equity and inclusive” hires. The new hires probably cannot and will not do the regular check-ups and maintenance that needs to be done.


23 posted on 02/14/2023 3:25:49 PM PST by CFW (old and retired)
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To: Robe

“They use to have a Caboose with a BRAKEMAN just for watching for this very thing...sometimes the old way is the best solution”

As the train rounded slow turns the brakeman would lean out whatever side inside of that turn was and take a quick scan for fires in the brake boxes and then they’d go down the track with another long slow turn to the other side the brakeman would stick his head out and look and see if there was any fire in the fire boxes. That’s how that worked.

Modern rail systems employ sensors alongside the track that can record every box that goes by and send data automatically to a central location and report what train, what car, what’s in the car, and what the problem is that the scan was able to ascertain.

Sensors also report proper train blocking, which is alternating and timing traffic so that there is only one train per block which is a determined length of track. You cannot have two trains per block you must only have one train per block to avoid collision and allow for reducing speed, without another train rear-ending the train ahead of it. Sometimes trains will stop and wait until the train ahead of them clears the block and then they will proceed.

No foolin!


24 posted on 02/14/2023 3:35:48 PM PST by Clutch Martin ("The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right." )
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To: Angelino97

Great lines in Live and Let Die as the British Bond arrives in NYC with a black cab driver talking (and secretly spying on him for the black gangster).

Cabbie: You know where you’re going?
Bond: Uptown, I believe.
Cabby: Uptown? You headed into Harlem man!

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25 posted on 02/14/2023 3:38:12 PM PST by frank ballenger (You have summoned up a thundercloud. You're gonna hear from me. Anthem by Leonard Cohen)
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To: libstripper

Drivin’ that train, high on cocaine...


26 posted on 02/14/2023 3:38:45 PM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Carriage Hill

Related

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/02/railway-company-behind-ohio-crash-turned-record-profits-2022-drastically-cutting-employees-quality-life/


27 posted on 02/14/2023 3:40:38 PM PST by combat_boots ( )
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To: Pelham

“..But PSR treats cars like they are computer digits, it’s interested in destination and pays little or no attention to weight distribution...”

NEVER, ever, let a bean counter or lawyer “manage” anything in your business....ever!!
Let em “count the beans” and give “legal advice”, but if one wants to safely stay in business, don’t let em manage anything. Other than counting numbers or reading case studies, they don’t have a lick of common sense or hands-on management skills.


28 posted on 02/14/2023 3:45:25 PM PST by lgjhn23 ("On the 8th day, Satan created the progressive liberal to destroy all the good that God created...")
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To: dfwgator

*segue*
Old Charlie stole the handle and the train won’t stop going no way to slow down


29 posted on 02/14/2023 3:48:48 PM PST by null and void (You can’t have a police state without a state police.)
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To: Angelino97

Any man’s man in those days would have looked down on
homosexuals.

As for myself, I suppose I could say I was disgusted too if
I really focused on it. I think it’s wrong. Frankly, I do
feel sorry for them also.

I’m not convinced homosexuals are as happy as a group as a
lot of folks seem to think they are. There is room for me
to be wrong about that though.

I believe it’s God’s issue to judge. I just try to be
courteous. I’m not into trash-talking it to death.


30 posted on 02/14/2023 4:01:31 PM PST by DoughtyOne (I pledge allegiance to the flag of the USofA & to the Constitutional REPUBLIC for? which it stands.)
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To: Governor Dinwiddie

Back in the day ALL railroad employees...stationmaster, section hands, crossing guards...were required to watch each passing train to be on the lookout for hotboxes.

More automation, fewer employees, less eyes on the boxes.


31 posted on 02/14/2023 4:03:47 PM PST by lightman (I am a binary Trinitarian. Deal with it!)
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I am sure buttjuice will get to the bottom of it once he finishes dealing with the too many wypipo in construction crisis


32 posted on 02/14/2023 4:05:29 PM PST by dsrtsage ( Complexity is just simple lacking imagination)
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To: Governor Dinwiddie

I agree, from the beginning I suspected that the bearings had seized up.


33 posted on 02/14/2023 4:10:30 PM PST by Doctor Congo
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To: Fester Chugabrew

The Norfolk Southern line near me has “hot box detectors” about every 10 miles. Dragging equipment detectors less frequently. They automatically report milepost, track number, number of axles, and any defects via radio.

CB radio. Ch 20 for UP & ch 76 for BNSF in my area.


34 posted on 02/14/2023 4:10:32 PM PST by rxh4n1
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To: Pelham

Thanks!


35 posted on 02/14/2023 4:11:16 PM PST by livius
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To: Carriage Hill

“Sabotage of the brakes?”

Probably what they call a “Hot Box”. They have Hot Box detectors along the line out here. When axle bearings go bad they they catch on fire and light the car car up if they don’t know about it. This is why they used to have Cabooses, but they got rid of cabooses many years ago.

But they ignore the Hot Box detectors and go on to the next location where they can drop the box/car. Watched many burn up. And I have called many in to the rail dispatcher only to have them just keep going because the dispatcher would not let them stop. So this is the error of the whole rail company system from top down.

But they will blame it on operator error. They always do.


36 posted on 02/14/2023 4:12:33 PM PST by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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To: rxh4n1

“The Norfolk Southern line near me has “hot box detectors” about every 10 miles.”

Yep, here too. But this is what they get for getting rid of the Cabooses.


37 posted on 02/14/2023 4:13:45 PM PST by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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To: frank ballenger

Loving all this 007 talk. I had a cat named Miss Galore, my father was an acquaintance of Ian Fleming’s, and I have, I believe, every Bond book in first edition. Carry on.


38 posted on 02/14/2023 4:23:40 PM PST by Quilla
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To: Openurmind

Yep. 2 man crews mostly, the conductor used to ride in the caboose. Now they ride in the lead locomotive and the End of Train or “the Fred” brings up the rear. This is what you get when “suits” run things. Running a railroad is the same as running a bank or running a chocolate factory to those idiots. They’re even pushing for one man crews.


39 posted on 02/14/2023 4:25:24 PM PST by rxh4n1
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To: Angelino97

“Broken people. Something went wrong in their childhood.” True. Proof: every year thousands of inverted people become straight, because thousands of inverted people use psychology to heal their traumas.


40 posted on 02/14/2023 4:25:27 PM PST by Falconspeed ("Keep your fears to yourself, but share your courage with others." Robert Louis Stevenson.)
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