Posted on 01/25/2023 9:33:01 AM PST by shadowlands1960
The limited number of tanks are not intended for eastern Ukraine. They are intended for the Polish occupying force in western Ukraine post collapse. It is why the Germans were so tough to get to agree. Polo/German relations are not so good. Polish occupation of Ukraine encroaches on German borders.
Finally someone who gets it.
And yet, that is what they have done for almost a year now. Hmmm.
The war actually started in 2014 when the US/NATO engineered coup of the duly elected government. Thus began the separatist movement in the Donbass and the uncontested Russian annexation of Crimea. Ukraine has been shelling the Donbas since 2014 killing over 13,000 people.
The Russian second invasion could have been avoided if Biden wanted a diplomatic solution. We had ample warning.
So you don’t envision these tanks rolling into the Donbas?
It is a good point.. if the Russian offensive this spring is successful, Ukraine will need to establish defenses along the Dnieper River. That river would seem to form a natural frontier like the Rhine in Western Europe.
Thank you. People have completely forgotten the origin of this.
Ues they can. Easily.
31 tanks? Why not 300 tanks? Why not well trained American Tank Crews to drive into the final victory over Ork Ruzzia? They should be backed up by 1,000,000 American Troops as well. In for a penny, in for a pound. With American help—the war should be over in a month. American Tanks can not be destroyed, they are the best in the world. German Leopard II Tanks are also good. Russia has no chance. We will will this like we did in Iraq! The cut up Russia and end them as a power, like Rome did to Carthage. Then there will be peace on earth and an end to all wars.
31 tanks? Why not 300 tanks? Why not well trained American Tank Crews to drive into the final victory over Ork Ruzzia? They should be backed up by 1,000,000 American Troops as well. In for a penny, in for a pound. With American help—the war should be over in a month. American Tanks can not be destroyed, they are the best in the world. German Leopard II Tanks are also good. Russia has no chance. We will will this like we did in Iraq! The cut up Russia and end them as a power, like Rome did to Carthage. Then there will be peace on earth and an end to all wars.
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The war actually started in 2014 when the US/NATO engineered coup of the duly elected government. Thus began the separatist movement in the Donbass and the uncontested Russian annexation of Crimea. Ukraine has been shelling the Donbas since 2014 killing over 13,000 people.
The Russian second invasion could have been avoided if Biden wanted a diplomatic solution. We had ample warning.
“You made me do it”: said every mass murdering Bolshevik and wife beater ever. I’m truly saddened to see great FReepers so duped by Kremlin gaslighting. We’re better than that.
Noble 1 million...
How far does USA have to push until Russia goes nuclear?
What is the argument going to be then? That we should just give Zelinsky defensive nukes?
We're getting close. I wish a reporter would ask Biden what our response would be when Russia uses some sort of nuclear weapon in Ukraine.
This one is for the bankers. Will not end the war and will not save a single life.
They will be stripped down and likely A1 models.
The crews won’t be trained or marginally trained and these machines need folks specifically trained on their use.
Knowing how we do things, we’ll give the Ukrainians a 2 week crash course on how to operate them...
There is no logistics or maintenance in place for them. These are complex machines that require folks trained on how to maintain them and this is where the fact that the M1 is turbine powered is a disadvantage. It’s not a diesel where you can easily find folks that have some idea of what to do.
Turbines are generally speaking an advantage contrary to what some of the idiots out there “believe.” The turbine is quieter, MORE efficient under load, much lighter for comparable HP and Torque, does well in high and low temperatures (it don’t care if it’s 120F or -70F, it’ll start and run, easily. The turbine is a true multi-fuel, while the diesel is not (JP4, JP7, JP8, diesel, kerosene, auto pump gasoline any grade). (((BUT))) Diesel mechanics are available almost everywhere, and even some of the parts of many of these diesels can be found off the shelf in some cases, or many of your allies use the same MTU and can help out... but good luck with an AGT1500 where production ceased in the late 90s and many of the parts are re-manufactured, only available through us, and you can’t find a mechanic to work on it.
They only have a few of them (30) and those will somehow have to be integrated with a bunch of other tanks. That is a logistics nightmare, i.e. different track, road wheels, etc.
Ukraine hardly has trained in combined and joint operations with these machines, there is no doctrine. All they have is a BN’s worth.
The Leo2 and M1 going to Ukraine is more symbolic that functional.
For the Ukraine side, I see this analogous to German “Wunderwaffen” at the end of WWII. People put a lot of faith into these dreams when things aren’t going well for them. It’s a moral lifeline for a sinking man.
Expect to see pictures of M1’s with Russians dancing on top of them, maybe even not damaged from combat but simply mired in mud or broken down and not recoverable. Will we send M88A1 Herks too? It’s in reality a 70 ton machine and need a recovery vehicle able to handle that. Doubt it. The point is, a tank like this stand alone isn’t going to do much and in fact might end up like many German Tiger II tanks captured in near perfect condition by Allied troops in WWII simply because they broke down or got stuck somewhere.
But sure, if it makes them feel good.
We have 8,000 of them, so I guess 30 won’t be missed.
Unintelligent response which lets the board know that you have no concept of what is actually happening? Are you Ukrainian?
They just passed a $1.7 trillion porkulus project.
Somehow, I don't think the root of America's problems are in Ukraine, and the focus on FR on Ukraine is lunacy.
I do not foresee NATO backing sending these tanks into the Donbas. What the nutcases in Kiev will do with them is anyone’s guess. NATO thought they had a leash on t-shirt Hitler. They did not. He is a megalomaniac. An unleashed angry gay narcissistic man on anabolic steroids in a roid rage.
The tanks will not last given his angry nature. He will throw them at the Russians and they will burn.
I throw facts.
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