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To: kabar

The war actually started in 2014 when the US/NATO engineered coup of the duly elected government. Thus began the separatist movement in the Donbass and the uncontested Russian annexation of Crimea. Ukraine has been shelling the Donbas since 2014 killing over 13,000 people.

The Russian second invasion could have been avoided if Biden wanted a diplomatic solution. We had ample warning.


“You made me do it”: said every mass murdering Bolshevik and wife beater ever. I’m truly saddened to see great FReepers so duped by Kremlin gaslighting. We’re better than that.


72 posted on 01/25/2023 10:16:09 AM PST by lodi90
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To: lodi90
Denial just ain't a river in Egypt. Unless you put the 2nd Russian invasion in context, you ignore how the war could have been prevented. It is a failure of diplomacy. It should be noted that the same Obama/Biden team that engineered the 2014 coup is in charge now, especially Victoria Nuland.

While the Russian troops were massing on the Ukrainian border for almost a year, Blinken was actually trying to provoke a war. On November 10, 2021 the US signed the U.S.-Ukraine Charter on Strategic Partnership.

In that Charter, we stated, among other things, "The United States remains committed to assisting Ukraine with ongoing defense and security reforms and to continuing its robust training and exercises. The United States supports Ukraine’s efforts to maximize its status as a NATO Enhanced Opportunities Partner to promote interoperability."

In June 2020 NATO recognized Ukraine as Enhanced Opportunities Partner . "As a NATO partner, Ukraine has provided troops to Allied operations, including in Afghanistan and Kosovo, as well as to the NATO Response Force and NATO exercises. Allies highly value these significant contributions, which demonstrate Ukraine’s commitment to Euro-Atlantic security."

You may have confidence in Biden, Blinken, Sullivan, Nuland, Austin, and Milley to manage this proxy war, but I don't. They are leading us over a cliff with this gradual escalation. We are weakening our military posture and borrowing billions to fund another endless war. Ukraine estimates it will take a trillion dollars to rebuild this country, which was poor (and very corrupt) before the war.

Rebuilding munitions wake up call! CSIS did a timely report on the fact it’ll take 6 years to recover from munitions transferred/expended by Ukraine.


101 posted on 01/25/2023 10:44:33 AM PST by kabar
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To: lodi90

I hope you will enjoy that can ‘o sunshine when it heads your childrens way.

Russia has plenty,so enjoy!


137 posted on 01/25/2023 11:36:16 AM PST by Right Brigade (It was better before they voted for whats his name,this must be the New World)
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To: lodi90; kabar
The war actually started in 2014 when the US/NATO engineered coup of the duly elected government. Thus began the separatist movement in the Donbass and the uncontested Russian annexation of Crimea. Ukraine has been shelling the Donbas since 2014 killing over 13,000 people.

The Russian second invasion could have been avoided if Biden wanted a diplomatic solution. We had ample warning.


“You made me do it”: said every mass murdering Bolshevik and wife beater ever. I’m truly saddened to see great FReepers so duped by Kremlin gaslighting. We’re better than that.


Stop your lying.   You have seen the videos of three United States Senators John McCain, Lindsey Graham and Amy Klobuchar with President Poroshenko telling Azov Battalion soldiers when the fighting would begin.   They tell the troops it will be in 2017, but Hillary Clinton lost the Presidential election.   When President Trump came into the office of the Presidency, he put the kibosh on their plans.

They cheated in the election to keep President Trump from being re-elected and their evil plans were on again.   If you think President Putin didn't know of their plans, you're naïve.   You can see from this Zelenskyy was just the next dupe to become President of The Ukraine.

John mccain and Lindsey Graham Ukraine WW3 Front

Lindsey Graham and the Ghost of John McCain Speak to Ukrainian Troops

US Senators Visit Troops on Front Line in Eastern Ukraine

This is the text with the last video link.

US Senators Visit Troops on Front Line in Eastern Ukraine 2016/12/31

While on a trip to Ukraine on December 30, GOP Senators John McCain and Lindsey Graham and Democratic Senator Amy Klobuchar denounced the alleged Russian hacking of Democratic Party email accounts in the run-up to the US presidential election.

Speaking to the US-funded Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty in Ukraine, the senators called for tougher sanctions against Russia in response to the allegations.

The senators traveled with Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko to Shyrokyne, a Baltic sea village in Donetsk Oblast, south of Russian-backed, separatist-held Donetsk, for a photo opportunity with Ukrainian soldiers.

Both GOP senators have said they will work to impose even stronger sanctions against Russia, in contrast to President-elect Trump, who has said the US should ‘move on’ from the issue.

McCain and Graham were both vocal critics of Trump during the campaign, although McCain supported Trump until early October reports showed that Trump had made comments in which he boasted about sexually assaulting women.
Credit: YouTube/President of Ukraine via Storyful


143 posted on 01/25/2023 11:58:40 AM PST by higgmeister (In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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