Good Hunting... from Varmint Al
Posted on 12/06/2022 5:47:22 PM PST by Hojczyk
The Department of Energy’s Argonne National Lab has just released a study showing that in 2021, US privately-owned plugin hybrid electric vehicles (PHEVs) and electric vehicles (EVs) “saved about 690 million gallons of gasoline.”
But that is a huge exaggeration because fossil fuels provide 61% of the electricity in the US … so only about a third of that apparent savings is a real reduction in fossil fuel use, the equivalent of maybe 130 million gallons.
The Argonne report also says that from 2010 to 2021, EVs have saved 2.1 billion gallons of gas. So let’s be generous and say that in 11 years, EVs have saved about a third of that, the equivalent of about 750 million gallons of gas.
Now that sure sounds like a lot of gasoline, three-quarters of a billion gallons.
However, as always, a sense of perspective is required. The US uses about 370 million gallons of gas per day … so that’s only about two days’ worth of gas.
I say again. Over the last eleven years, electric vehicles in the US have saved Two. Days. Worth. Of. Gasoline.
At enormous cost:
Direct taxpayer subsidies for EVs have cost you and me $10 billion dollars to date, and we’re on the hook for more. The government just extended the EV subsidy until 2032 and removed the cap on the number of vehicles eligible for the subsidy.
It gets worse. The US government also just approved spending an additional $7.5 billion of taxpayer money on EV charging stations.
So to date, we’re spending TWENTY-THREE DOLLARS for each gallon of gasoline saved … economic suicide.
And all of the world’s worst countries are laughing at us.
Electric vehicles have been around for well over a century, but they lost out to internal combustion vehicles because gas-powered cars are cheaper and better. That is still true today, regardless of how many billions of dollars governments shovel at subsidies for electric vehicles.
Let’s put the cost factor in there. No one has come up with the actual cost to fuel these beasts.
what happens when there’s no coal and nuke plants? What happens indeed?
Turd world government here we come.
BS
Power station Don’t burn gasoline, they burn NG. Cars don’t burn NG, they burn gasoline. The author is introducing a confusion factor to suck in the gullible.
Does anyone have a stopwatch as to when two individuals on FR, enter this thread to tell anyone who doesn’t worship Elon Musk and EVs, they’re a Neanderthal.
Mmmkay, gotta start somewhere I guess…
If I eat 5 pounds of rice instead of 5 pounds of pasta, I’ve saved 5 pounds of pasta.
Don’t just call “BS.” Show your analysis to us.
This irks me the most - you and I are subsidizing all those Teslas on the road.
Good Hunting... from Varmint Al
Unbelievable.
“Let’s put the cost factor in there. No one has come up with the actual cost to fuel these beasts.”
Nor disposal. You don’t just put used battery packs through shredders and stick what comes out in a furnace.
“what happens when there’s no coal and nuke plants? What happens indeed?”
New nukes are being built.
The most efficient use of fossil fuels is combined cycle NG generating stations powering EV’s.
agree....had to pay someone 50 bucks to dispose of old tvs...well there were 4 of them...so x 4
EV's aren't for everyone. And I hate the Dims trying to force them on people. But for what it's worth, my EV costs about 4.7¢ for every mile driven. So to drive it 400 miles costs about $18.80. (I chose 400 miles for this example because that's about how far I drive my ICE pickup before filling it up.) Calculations for the cost per mile are below if interested.
My EV gets on average a hair over 3 miles/kWh even with powering AC/heat/lights. It gets more mileage than that as registered from the EV's dashboard, but my "hair over 3 miles/kWh" takes into account at least a 5% loss of power converting AC power from my wall to DC power as the EV's charge controller charges the battery. (Half the time I charge my EV I set it to its slowest setting, which can lose up to 10% during the conversion. But that has to do with me having solar and wanting the total load of whatever appliances I run at a single point in time to stay within the capacity of my solar inverters so they don't have to pull power from the grid as often. Most EV owners don't have solar and, therefore, charge at home at the fastest rate possible to improve the efficiency in converting AC power to DC power. When I do that, my loss is 5% during the AC-to-DC conversion.)
On the past 4 months my power bills (in Alabama, with a flat rate and not rates varying at times of day) said I was paying a hair over 14¢/kWh for each kWh added to my bill (after first subtracting the fixed monthly fees and tax I'd pay regardless of how much power I bought that month). 14¢ ÷ 3 miles = 4.7¢/mile.
“This irks me the most - you and I are subsidizing all those Teslas on the road.”
Not really. Teslas haven’t been subsidized for over a year. The new subsidy is only for under $55k. Most Teslas are more than that.
Should read -
Saving America with Electric Chairs
I am not sure what the converter from coal/natural gas fired plant is to EV.
I mean this. If 20 gallons of oil is good for 500 miles is a convention car, how much extra coal or natural gas is used to get that same 500 miles in a similar car?
I figure that a power plant rarely operates at 100% capacity. stuff is burned, a giant turbine is turned, electricity is created. Is more coal burned during peak operation to turn the turbine faster, or to turn more of them?
Also, once the energy is converted electricity, is an electric motor more efficient than a internal combustion engine. A Chevy Volt had its gas to electricity on board. A miniature power plant, if you will, and its gasoline to electricity output appeared decent. I would think that a giant power plant would be even more efficent, of course the distance the power travels can come into play. No one on either side ever suggests a range of tangible numbers for the consumption of regular folks.
My question put another way is, does 100,000 btu of coal to create electricity to move a car move it farther than 100,000 btu of oil?
“Also, once the energy is converted electricity, is an electric motor more efficient than a internal combustion engine.”
More than 4x efficient.
Considering a NG combined cycle generating station, the EV energy cycle is more than 2x the efficiency of an ICE car.
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