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To: Sacajaweau
Let’s put the cost factor in there. No one has come up with the actual cost to fuel these beasts.

EV's aren't for everyone. And I hate the Dims trying to force them on people. But for what it's worth, my EV costs about 4.7¢ for every mile driven. So to drive it 400 miles costs about $18.80. (I chose 400 miles for this example because that's about how far I drive my ICE pickup before filling it up.) Calculations for the cost per mile are below if interested.

My EV gets on average a hair over 3 miles/kWh even with powering AC/heat/lights. It gets more mileage than that as registered from the EV's dashboard, but my "hair over 3 miles/kWh" takes into account at least a 5% loss of power converting AC power from my wall to DC power as the EV's charge controller charges the battery. (Half the time I charge my EV I set it to its slowest setting, which can lose up to 10% during the conversion. But that has to do with me having solar and wanting the total load of whatever appliances I run at a single point in time to stay within the capacity of my solar inverters so they don't have to pull power from the grid as often. Most EV owners don't have solar and, therefore, charge at home at the fastest rate possible to improve the efficiency in converting AC power to DC power. When I do that, my loss is 5% during the AC-to-DC conversion.)

On the past 4 months my power bills (in Alabama, with a flat rate and not rates varying at times of day) said I was paying a hair over 14¢/kWh for each kWh added to my bill (after first subtracting the fixed monthly fees and tax I'd pay regardless of how much power I bought that month). 14¢ ÷ 3 miles = 4.7¢/mile.

16 posted on 12/06/2022 6:11:04 PM PST by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: Tell It Right


But for what it's worth, my EV costs about 4.7¢ for every mile driven.

ok mr holy

tell us about lithium mining absolutely raping the environment.

and you'll have to replace them (if you can) or trash the car and buy another.      very environmentally friendly

btw       I sincerely hope the car doesn't burn down your house


27 posted on 12/06/2022 6:23:59 PM PST by 867V309 (Lock Her Up)
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To: Tell It Right

LOL! Will you still be smiling when the gooberment taxes you by the mile? But, more important, to replace the present ICE fleet would require 100+ more lithium strip mines. Think in terms of 500,000 lbs of dirt processed for enough lithium to make one large lithium battery. The tailings from these mines are quite toxic. Not to mention the cobalt mining, etc. Grid needs to be expanded ten times to charge all the crab. If course, the 190 new lithium mines and 10x expanded power grid are not going to happen. The plan is for a whole lot of us to be driving in the not too distant future, or perhaps a whole lot if us not to be around to drive.


31 posted on 12/06/2022 6:36:13 PM PST by suijuris (Once a man learns to see he finds himself alone in the world with nothing but folly.)
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To: Tell It Right
This is very helpful. Thank you.

Let's have some fun with math.

I read elsewhere that, for each kWh generated in the U.S., an average of 0.822 pounds of CO2 is released at the power plant. Coal releases 2.3 pounds, petroleum releases 2.1 pounds, and natural gas releases 0.9 pounds.

The average passenger car emits 0.77 pounds of CO2 per mile driven.

If you EV gets 3 miles of driving capacity per kWh, then power plants have to produce 133.3 kWh of electrocity for you to obtain a "full charge" of 400 miles.

133.3 kWh*0.822 means a full EV charge produces 109.6 pounds of CO, on average, or 306 pounds from coal, 280 pounds from petroleum, and 120 pounds from natural gas.

Your ICE would produce 0.77*400=308 pounds of carbon.

Therefore, EVs are "carbon neutral" vs ICE if it's a coal-fired power plant, but an EV is "carbon positive" for other forms of utility power generation.

I think...

66 posted on 12/06/2022 7:51:29 PM PST by DoodleBob ( Gravity’s waiting period is about 9.8 m/s²)
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