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What happens if the conservative Republicans block McCarthy from getting a majority? (Vanity question)
omegatoo | today | omegatoo

Posted on 11/30/2022 9:14:53 AM PST by omegatoo

Hi all,

I think that saying that a Democrat might win the speakership is purely a scare tactic.

From what I am reading, the speaker must win a simple majority of total votes cast, so 218 if all vote. If the dissenting Republicans vote for anyone other than McCarthy there is no way McCarthy can reach majority unless democrats vote for him. Representatives can vote for anyone. They are not limited to choosing between the nominees.

As long as Republicans don’t vote for the Democrat nominee, the Democrat can’t reach majority either. As much as I detest the Rinos, I don’t think they would vote for a democrat.

Even though the dissenting Republicans won’t have enough votes to elect anyone else, they can spoil the speaker election indefinitely.

The worst that would happen if the dissenters stand firm is that there will be no speaker for an indefinite period of time.

Would the Democrats cross over and vote for McCarthy? If so McCarthy still wins speakership, but he wins it having to live with being elected by his opposition.

The outcome wouldn’t change, but at least we would have had some Republicans demonstrate that they actually have backbones.

Best case is that the opposition in the Republican party holds or even grows and they stall the process so long that McCarthy has to withdraw.

What happens after that is anybody’s guess.

I would appreciate it if somebody with more knowledge of the process could jump in here to let me know if this is actually the case.

Love, O2


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To: omegatoo

I thought Trump endorsed McCarthy. That should be the end of it, right?


21 posted on 11/30/2022 9:29:45 AM PST by Night Hides Not (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! Remember Gonzales! Come and Take It! lol)
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To: omegatoo

McCarthy will win outright because most if not all Rep holdouts are not doing it on principle. They are keeping open their ability to horse trade for perks, goodies and other nice things...otherwise known as bribes.


22 posted on 11/30/2022 9:32:12 AM PST by Avalon Memories (Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats. -- P.J. O’Rourke)
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To: rktman

Yes, all members of The House vote on Speaker. Given the perpetual division in the Republican ranks, they could pick McCarthy or even Pelosi. Or even Jeffries.


23 posted on 11/30/2022 9:34:47 AM PST by Kaiser8408a (z)
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To: omegatoo

Maybe we will get a fighter? We sure don’t have one in McCarthy.


24 posted on 11/30/2022 9:34:59 AM PST by WMarshal (Neocons and leftards are the same species of vicious rat.)
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To: omegatoo
“ As much as I detest the Rinos, I don’t think they would vote for a democrat.”

But there might be enough that would vote for Liz Cheney along with all the Dems.

25 posted on 11/30/2022 9:38:38 AM PST by circlecity
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To: omegatoo

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26 posted on 11/30/2022 9:38:58 AM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (Machine-gun jumblies. How'd I miss that? - Austin Powers 2)
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To: omegatoo

:: if all vote ::

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27 posted on 11/30/2022 9:38:58 AM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (Machine-gun jumblies. How'd I miss that? - Austin Powers 2)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

Sorry about the double.
Damn DTs, again.


28 posted on 11/30/2022 9:40:05 AM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (Machine-gun jumblies. How'd I miss that? - Austin Powers 2)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

Damn DTs, again.


A good, stiff drink can help that.


29 posted on 11/30/2022 9:41:38 AM PST by nesnah (Infringe - act so as to limit or undermine [something]; encroach on)
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To: omegatoo

The Republicans will have 222 Votes. If the Five who vowed not to vote for him stay that way, he comes up with 217. I predict that at least one or two will be “Bribed” into voting for him. Stay tuned. January 3d is still over a month away and there will be a lot of “Jaw Boning” between now and then.


30 posted on 11/30/2022 9:42:50 AM PST by Old Retired Army Guy
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To: omegatoo

Pelosi stays.


31 posted on 11/30/2022 9:43:16 AM PST by eclectic (Liberalism is a mental disorder)
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McCarthy messed up in the post-election. He could have had the backing of the base if he would have demanded a new election in Maricopa County or Ronna be ousted.


32 posted on 11/30/2022 9:43:59 AM PST by TakebackGOP
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To: pghbjugop

The Speaker requires a majority of the House present and voting. Majority. Not enough to be top vote-getter.


33 posted on 11/30/2022 9:45:22 AM PST by jjotto ( Blessed are You LORD, who crushes enemies and subdues the wicked.)
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To: nesnah

Tpper’s lock-box...among other things.
😉


34 posted on 11/30/2022 9:45:51 AM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (Machine-gun jumblies. How'd I miss that? - Austin Powers 2)
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To: omegatoo

My suspicion is that McCarthy will negotiate (buy) Democrat votes for Speakership. Heaven knows what price he’ll be willing to pay for them.


35 posted on 11/30/2022 9:46:52 AM PST by sjmjax
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To: omegatoo

As much as I detest the Rinos, I don’t think they would vote for a democrat.
= = =

This may be the flaw in your presentation.

Liz Cheney isn’t around anymore, but would vote for a democrat.

How many like her are left?

We saw 12 rinos cross over in the senate for the ‘marriage’ bill.

It would only take how many, 3 or 4? Final numbers aren’t in yet, I think.

And a larger question. Can the House call for a vote for a new speaker at any time? During the term?


36 posted on 11/30/2022 9:47:05 AM PST by Scrambler Bob (My /s is more true than your /science (or you might mean /seance))
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To: omegatoo

My guess is that Democrats will extract the embarrassment of that and then throw a few votes to put him over the top. The alternative is that McCarthy and his leadership team drop out before/after the first vote, let the party put up a new candidate. I say that whatever it takes, they should stop McCarthy and his team from assuming leadership.


37 posted on 11/30/2022 9:48:07 AM PST by Reno89519 (I do not support Trump 2024, but if he does become candidate, I will vote for him.)
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To: rktman

There’s about thirty who didn’t want him based on an early ballot. He’s short less than that number based on another article. There’s no strong opposition. We could be better off with someone else. And it’s not the other guy running so we suck it up and thrown in with Kevin after making him squirm by trading for committees or agenda items or things in the rules.


38 posted on 11/30/2022 9:49:55 AM PST by newzjunkey (Vote for Hershel Walker by Dec 6th to stop Warnock (D) in Georgia)
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To: omegatoo
What happens is the caucus comes together to nominate someone else as SOH. Then they bring that person up for a vote. This process goes on until a speaker is elected from the nominees.

The SOH does not have to be a representative. So just about anyone could be elected as Speaker. All the Constitution says is the House will pick it's own officers.

My secret wish is Trump is elected Speaker. Just the photo of Nancy(who hates his guts) having to hand the gavel over to her nemesis would be a picture for the ages.

39 posted on 11/30/2022 9:51:06 AM PST by Wizdum (Tyranny always ends badly for the tyrannical. Ask Ceaușescu, Gaddafi or Saddam.)
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To: omegatoo
If McCarthy doesn't get a majority on the first vote, it goes to a second round, then a third, and so on until someone gets a majority.

McCarthy would have to horse-trade: either agree to put someone on a specific committee in exchange for his vote, or agree to bring a pet bill/amendment to the floor in exchange for their vote, etc.

-PJ

40 posted on 11/30/2022 9:51:15 AM PST by Political Junkie Too ( * LAAP = Left-wing Activist Agitprop Press (formerly known as the MSM))
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