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America WILL retaliate with 'a devastating strike' against Russia's Black Sea Fleet or bases in Crimea if Putin follows through on threat to use nuclear weapons in Ukraine, US Army's former European commander warns
The Daily Mail ^ | 08:29 EDT, 21 September 2022 | TOM COTTERILL FOR MAILONLINE and CHRIS PLEASANCE FOR MAILONLINE

Posted on 09/21/2022 7:22:41 AM PDT by BradtotheBone

America will retaliate with 'a devastating strike' against Russia's military if Vladimir Putin uses nuclear weapons in Ukraine, the United States Army's former European commander has warned.

Retired Lieutenant General Ben Hodges today said any response by America 'may not be nuclear' but warned that if Putin were to use nukes in Ukraine that the US could look to 'destroy the Black Sea Fleet or destroy Russian bases in Crimea'.

His comments come after the Russian premier sent shockwaves around the world, as he announced the 'partial mobilization' of his reserve military forces to continue his murderous invasion of Ukraine.

And in a chilling warning directed squarely at Western and Nato leaders, desperate despot Putin insisted he would use 'all means' necessary to defend swathes of territory seized or set to be annexed by Kremlin forces before threatening to use nuclear weapons.

'If there is a threat to the territorial integrity of our country, and in protecting our people we will certainly use all means to us - and I'm not bluffing,' he then added during his televised address to the Russian people on Wednesday morning.

Gen Hodges, who commanded the US Army in Europe between 2014 and 2018, stressed the 'possibility' of Putin ordering a nuclear strike on Ukraine was 'very unlikely'.

But he said the use of any strategic weapons of mass destruction would be met with a swift and severe reaction from President Joe Biden.

'He [Putin] knows the US will have to respond if Russia uses a nuclear weapon,' Gen Hodges told MailOnline.

'The US response may not be nuclear...but could very well be a devastating strike that could, for example, destroy the Black Sea Fleet or destroy Russian bases in Crimea.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


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To: Tired of Taxes; Boardwalk; BiteYourSelf
Russia would not have invaded Ukraine if Trump were still in office.

That's why the neocons had to get rid of him in The Dirty Election Coup.

201 posted on 09/22/2022 11:37:25 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: BradtotheBone


the United States Army's former European commander has warned.

United States Army's former European commander

States Army's former European commander

Army's former European commander

former European commander

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202 posted on 09/23/2022 12:06:36 AM PDT by 867V309 (Lock Her Up)
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To: neverbluffer

We wont do sh - it as long as the Dem’s are in control of the military”.

We’ll fight until the Strategic Oil Reserves are depleted.

Oh, wait...


203 posted on 09/23/2022 5:49:18 AM PDT by Does so (https//youtu.be/3PxEWB6W8ig ......Uke's Independence Day Parade. Anthem starts at 15:00)
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To: familyop

“Again I ask-—what strategic value the Ukraine has for the safety and security of the USA?”

Thanks to Russia’s evil aggression, we’ll deal with Russia if necessary. We’re not going to allow another Soviet Union to be consolidated and built up first.

-This is not a strategic reason to start WWIII in the Ukraine. What long term value does the Ukraine serve to the USA? NONE.

-So now you are going to dictate internal politics in Russia? You demand the right to tell the Russian people who their leaders are going to be and how they run their country? We wouldn’t put up with such horse shi*t anymore than they would.

-The Russians and Ukrainians had a peace deal in April-Russia removes it’s armed forces and the Ukraine agrees not to join NATO and the western so-called democracies sent Boris Johnson to tell the Ukrainians, hell no we want war and Putin removed from office. They had a settlement that BOTH had agreed to and your warmonger crowd screamed war-war-war! Such waste and idiocy...


204 posted on 09/23/2022 8:33:32 AM PDT by sarge83
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To: DesertRhino

https://taxicabdepressions.com/?p=1193


205 posted on 09/23/2022 9:34:12 AM PDT by Jotmo (Whoever said, "The pen is mightier than the sword." has clearly never been stabbed to death.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Stealing that meme.

Loved the movie.


206 posted on 09/23/2022 1:20:28 PM PDT by redgolum (If this is civilization, I will be the barbarian. )
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To: sarge83
Familyop had written:
"Thanks to Russia’s evil aggression, we’ll deal with Russia if necessary. We’re not going to allow another Soviet Union to be consolidated and built up first."

sarge83 replied:
"-This is not a strategic reason to start WWIII in the Ukraine. What long term value does the Ukraine serve to the USA? NONE."

An ally, now that Russia has threatened to expand into countries beyond Ukraine and to nuke the USA and allies several times. Russia's public affairs strategies really stinksky.

"-So now you are going to dictate internal politics in Russia? You demand the right to tell the Russian people who their leaders are going to be and how they run their country?"

No. Russians should mind their own business instead of murdering, robbing and kidnapping their neighbors while threatening to nuke the world. Russia is a bully nation and has nearly always been probing and pushing for a fight.

"We wouldn’t put up with such horse shi*t anymore than they would."

You're talking about Russia's buttinsky in Ukraine, rightsky? Or are you talking about Russia's repeated threats to destroy the West for generations? See Mexico and Canada? They're free to govern as they please.

"-The Russians and Ukrainians had a peace deal in April-Russia removes it’s armed forces and the Ukraine agrees not to join NATO and the western so-called democracies sent Boris Johnson to tell the Ukrainians, hell no we want war and Putin removed from office. They had a settlement that BOTH had agreed to and your warmonger crowd screamed war-war-war! Such waste and idiocy..."

False. There was no such deal in April of 2002, and Johnson has no control over the decisions of the Ukrainians. Ukrainians now hate Russians for what they've done, and it's the decision of the Ukrainian people to continue fighting for their whole country.

I don't often refer to fiction in regards to these matters, but this might be a good time to bring our perceptions of the 1960s to light. In the first, original "Star Trek" television series, the Klingons were an allegory for Russians. The reason for that was the nature of propaganda and actions of Russians.

207 posted on 09/23/2022 4:47:03 PM PDT by familyop ("For they that sleep with dogs, shall rise with fleas" (John Webster, "The White Devil" 1612).)
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To: 867V309

That username is like...you know...just so cool, dude. Like...right on, man. Far out...

;D

Tommy Tutone - 867-5309/Jenny
https://youtu.be/6WTdTwcmxyo


208 posted on 09/23/2022 4:52:03 PM PDT by familyop ("For they that sleep with dogs, shall rise with fleas" (John Webster, "The White Devil" 1612).)
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To: sarge83

Well said bump!


209 posted on 09/24/2022 2:48:14 AM PDT by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: BradtotheBone

Hate to say it but I think the nuts running our country are planning for nuclear war.


210 posted on 09/24/2022 10:54:59 AM PDT by Jonny7797
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To: familyop

Europe, Russia and US will suffer horribly from your Third World War and our real enemy the Chinese will celebrate your gullibility and their good fortune to have the such incompetent and blind warmongers in charge in the west who destroyed themselves to get their Pyrrhic victory and handed them the rest of the world without a fight.

We will all pay a dreadful price for your bloodlust and anti-US behavior and for fighting yet another war using the last wars tactics-things have changed since 1945 and 1989 tremendously and you and the rest of the backward thinking foreign policy establishment are stuck in time, unwilling to adapt or overcome the new challenges.

If you get your wish and WWIII you will quickly find that having is not as pleasing a thing as wanting. And we will all pay a dreadful price for your b


211 posted on 09/24/2022 12:48:16 PM PDT by sarge83
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To: Does so

lol


212 posted on 09/24/2022 2:32:20 PM PDT by neverbluffer
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To: BradtotheBone

I don’t see us using nukes. But a well placed Moab or two on a Black Sea naval base….


213 posted on 09/24/2022 2:50:54 PM PDT by BigEdLB (Let’s go Brandon!)
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To: sarge83
"Europe, Russia and US will suffer horribly from your Third World War..."

Don't project your wrongful desires on me. It's Russia's war. Seeing people of the same perceived race or language in a sovereign nation that doesn't belong to you is no excuse for invading, occupying and enslaving it. The PLA in China has made the same excuses about people in Taiwan, Japan and other countries. It's a commie/fascist excuse.

Ukraine is fighting to defend. Russia is the attacker.

214 posted on 09/24/2022 6:24:40 PM PDT by familyop ("For they that sleep with dogs, shall rise with fleas" (John Webster, "The White Devil" 1612).)
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To: sarge83

Why do you sympathize with the likes of this?

Pink Floyd founder cancels Poland concerts after war remarks
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4095794/posts


215 posted on 09/24/2022 6:26:44 PM PDT by familyop ("For they that sleep with dogs, shall rise with fleas" (John Webster, "The White Devil" 1612).)
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To: sarge83

The delusion that only light intensity conflict would happen in the future was foolish. Some of the communist/fascist nations will eventually try to expand and attack after saturating their victim nations with propaganda and other means of control. They regard diplomacy as a tool to buy them time to build up for that attack.

The writing has been on the wall for a long time with China and Russia pushing around for points of control ocean routes. Our choice is whether to defend or be defeated and enslaved.


216 posted on 09/24/2022 6:35:16 PM PDT by familyop ("For they that sleep with dogs, shall rise with fleas" (John Webster, "The White Devil" 1612).)
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To: BenLurkin

“Russia isn’t going to nuke the Uke.”

^^^ This. Putin has won the bulk of what he wanted. Now it’s time for him to freeze the gains into a permanent expansion of Russian territory by an agreement to cease fire and freeze in place.

The “elections,” the annexation of eastern Ukraine, the mobilization, and the nuke threat are chips on that bargaining table.

The trouble is, Biden has backed the US into a corner. If we agree to the Russian gains, Biden has lost and spent billions and billions doing so. The media can only cover for him so much. So there will be no agreement before the midterms at a minimum.

After the midterms, Biden either loses a war by giving the Russians their gains or keeps tossing money down a rat hole. At a certain point, Biden will lose control of the issue because the Europeans are going to be forced to the bargaining table by freezing people and plummeting economies.

(When I say Biden, I am actually referring to whichever neocons are making the decisions in the white house).


217 posted on 09/26/2022 9:35:39 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: familyop

Wrongful desires? The desire to not fight in a war we don’t belong in is now wrong? You and you arm chair generals are the ones butting into yet another war which we have no business in whatsoever. I swear to God some of you people would declare war on a flock or lambs if you had no one else to fight. You are right it is Russia and the Ukraine’s war not ours as bad as that upsets you. So now I’m a commie because I don’t support your blind march to WWIII when it is not necessary. It’s a warmonger and a backward thinker who wants to fight any where and everywhere all the time.

You clearly cannot articulate what is the strategic reason to fight WWIII in the Ukraine other than you want to get the Russians mentality.

I have made no such excuses about China or Taiwan, but clearly stated China is a clear and present danger to us and the Pacific. They are where we should be focused right now not the Ukraine. It clearly is in our interests to remain engaged in the far east and to defend treaty allies.


218 posted on 09/27/2022 9:16:50 AM PDT by sarge83
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To: familyop

I sympathize with all caught up in this war. I am enjoying Ivan getting throat punched-—IF-IF one can believe the propaganda out of the Ukraine—I don’t believe it anymore than I believe the Russian or US intelligence BS.

The US intelligence community couldn’t tell the truth if their lives depended on it, watching their never ending screw ups since the end of the Cold War has taught me they lie and they lie a lot and they screw up a lot and as a result have got thousands of American GI’s as well as citizens: killed, wounded or disabled for life, without any consequences to their failures. You all have been fooled time and again by this bunch since 1992 and still you hang on their every word.


219 posted on 09/27/2022 9:22:55 AM PDT by sarge83
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To: familyop

Russia has been well contained and they have access already to access to the oceans. The Russian navy aside from their submarines is abysmal and not a threat for the most part.

The Chinese ARE a major threat and where we should be concentrating our attention instead of the Ukraine. For some reason the warmonger crowd seems to think it is 1988 and we are prepared to fight a two front war—we are not capable of doing this against two major powers anymore.

China is our main enemy and they need our attention. China is going to turn on Russia if they ever deal us a death blow in the Pacific.


220 posted on 09/27/2022 9:27:16 AM PDT by sarge83
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