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After Indiana Mall Shooting, One Hero but No Lasting Solution
The New York Times via Yahoo ^ | July 20, 2022 | by Richard Fausset (D-NYT)

Posted on 07/20/2022 1:05:27 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

It was an act of pluck and composure worthy of a scene in the movies. But this was real life: A heavily armed man emerged from the bathroom in a Greenwood, Indiana, shopping mall on Sunday evening and began shooting — until he was killed by an armed bystander.

Mike Wright, manager of the Luca Pizza di Roma in the mall’s food court, remembers taking shelter when the firing started and then emerging when it stopped to see the bystander behind a low-slung wall with his handgun trained on the assailant he had shot to death.

“He stood there maybe 25 or 30 feet from the body and held that pistol pointed at him until law enforcement arrived,” Wright remembered Tuesday. “The good Samaritan guy seemed poised and under control. He appeared to be very disciplined.” Jim Ison, the local police chief, went further, saying that his engagement with the gunman, who had killed three people, was “nothing short of heroic.”

But along with the horror, drama and acclaim came a roaring and rekindled controversy in a country united in revulsion over its ceaseless plague of gun violence, yet bitterly divided over a loosening of gun restrictions like the Indiana law, passed this year, that allowed the bystander, Elisjsha Dicken, 22, to carry his 9-mm handgun in the first place.

But Dicken’s act, though heroic, was also a statistical unicorn. An examination of 433 active shooter attacks in the United States between 2000 and 2021 showed that only 22 ended with a bystander shooting an attacker, according to data from the Advanced Law Enforcement Rapid Response Training Center at Texas State University.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: banglist; indiana; journalism; mall; media; press
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder
More guns in the hands of the good guys vs less guns in the hands of the good guys. Yeah, this might be a tough one for the "Times" to figure out.
41 posted on 07/20/2022 2:14:45 PM PDT by fhayek
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To: Dilbert San Diego

How many were in “gun-free zones,” as this one was? Seems to me we need fewer gun-free zones, or more people ignoring the signs.


42 posted on 07/20/2022 2:14:57 PM PDT by gundog ( It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen. )
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To: RummyChick
this is the lawyer

43 posted on 07/20/2022 2:15:18 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

this is the gofundme

https://www.gofundme.com/f/elis-legal-fund?qid=a41ae340413817e683eecc294647ac54


44 posted on 07/20/2022 2:16:47 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
An examination of 433 active shooter attacks in the United States between 2000 and 2021 showed that only 22 ended with a bystander shooting an attacker,

Of those 433, how many took place in "gun free zones" where bystanders were not allowed to be armed? Those 22 might actually be a large percent of cases where it could have happened.

45 posted on 07/20/2022 2:17:44 PM PDT by MileHi ((Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: DoodleDawg

Guarantee? No. A deterrent, perhaps? I’m all for potential mass shooters being afraid to act.


46 posted on 07/20/2022 2:18:01 PM PDT by gundog ( It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen. )
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To: Osage Orange

Just summarizing this article’s intent


47 posted on 07/20/2022 2:20:01 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I’d like to see what the NYT considers an active shooter. Their number of 433 seems high given how much media attention is given to shootings like the Parade and Buffalo supermarket. Do they add in groups of aspiring rappers mag dumping on each other at impromptu street festivals?


48 posted on 07/20/2022 2:42:32 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: MileHi

If they took place in Chicago, Philadelphia, or NYC... those are all “gun free zones”.


49 posted on 07/20/2022 2:45:08 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

When a citizen gets the chance, they are more effective than a cop


50 posted on 07/20/2022 2:48:16 PM PDT by roving (Blue Lives Matter More Than Children)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

Exactly. No surprise a good guy doesn’t step in places where they can’t legally be armed.

Hope yer good bro.


51 posted on 07/20/2022 2:51:49 PM PDT by MileHi ((Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

It takes a well armed village.


52 posted on 07/20/2022 2:53:10 PM PDT by seowulf (Civilization begins with order, grows with liberty, and dies with chaos...Will Durant)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
An examination of 433 active shooter attacks in the United States between 2000 and 2021 showed that only 22 ended with a bystander shooting an attacker

How many active shooter attacks were prevented by armed bystanders?

53 posted on 07/20/2022 2:53:49 PM PDT by Bubba_Leroy (Dementia Joe is Not My President)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
An examination of 433 active shooter attacks in the United States between 2000 and 2021 showed that only 22 ended with a bystander shooting an attacker

If there were more people who were armed and trained in using a firearm for self-defense, how many more active shooter attacks would have ended with a bystander shooting an attacker?

54 posted on 07/20/2022 2:56:38 PM PDT by Bubba_Leroy (Dementia Joe is Not My President)
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To: MileHi

Yep, no worries.


55 posted on 07/20/2022 3:06:49 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: RummyChick

Hadn’t seen that yet. Thanks.


56 posted on 07/20/2022 3:11:37 PM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

“An examination of 433 active shooter attacks in the United States between 2000 and 2021 showed that only 22 ended with a bystander shooting an attacker...”

Using leftist math, every time a leftist shooter is shot dead, it discourages 5,000 other leftists from attempting a mass shooting. That’s 300,000 lives saved annually. Or nearly 1,000 people saved each day. Let’s have three cheers for shooting leftists dead.


57 posted on 07/20/2022 3:13:59 PM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

“Maybe not the best idea. The cops might arrive, see him standing there with a gun in his hand, and blow his ass away.”

Here’s the reality: The cops arrived, correctly analyzed the situation and mopped up.


58 posted on 07/20/2022 3:41:03 PM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

No lasting solution? The hero showed what our forefathers knew - the inalienable right to keep and bear arms.


59 posted on 07/20/2022 3:47:58 PM PDT by T.B. Yoits
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Seems like you would want to repeat that success rather than the Texas school shooting.


60 posted on 07/20/2022 4:51:17 PM PDT by bray (The Vax is fake and deadly)
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