Posted on 06/28/2022 6:52:09 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
A lawsuit filed on June 10 by a synagogue in Florida has challenged plans to limit abortions in the state on the grounds that it would violate religious rights and therefore be unconstitutional. The Jewish faith holds the right to an abortion to be inviolable.
The Florida bill is set to lower the maximum threshold for abortions from 24 weeks down to 15 weeks from July 1, with exceptions in instances where the medical procedure could save the life or prevent serious injury to the mother. It offers no exceptions for victims of incest, rape or human trafficking.
But these restrictions would infringe upon Jewish women’s right to abortion as guaranteed by their faith and are thus incompatible with the Florida constitution’s right to privacy and religious freedom, says the lawsuit, which was brought by Rabbi Barry Silver on behalf of the roughly 150 members of Congregation L’Dor Va-Dor in Palm Beach County.
“If a foetus poses a threat to the health or emotional well-being of its mother, at any stage of gestation up until birth, Jewish law not only entitles but requires the mother to abort the pregnancy and protect herself,” the suit argues.
Broadly speaking, Jewish law stipulates that life begins at birth and that until that point the mother’s life is prioritised. “So, in order to protect the health of the pregnant person, abortion is permissible and sometimes mandated,” said Samira Mehta, associate professor of women and gender as well as Jewish studies at the University of Colorado at Boulder.
The definition of what counts as a health threat varies between Jewish communities, with the congregation of L’Dor Va-Dor in Florida at the liberal end of the spectrum. But, Mehta said, there is agreement on the principle that abortion is a right.
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“Since he is omniscient, he sees all POSSIBLE futures. We choose which one(s) become reality.”
So he doesn’t know what I’m going to do, thus he’s not omniscient. You can’t have both.
“It is also the basis for how one should be treated under law, so in reality, it lasts one’s entire life.”
That maybe a good policy but it’s not a “natural right” . It doesn’t automatically spring out of nature. In fact in a natural setting (one without human laws) the opposite is more often true. People don’t treat each other equally. And tribal leaders don’t treat all tribe members the same.
abortion is not even mentioned as an element of Judaism, much less an inviolable part; perhaps those worshiping Moloch hold it inviolable but that is NOT Judaism.
Having an abortion is not a religious ritual.
This thread highlights why John Adams stated:
“Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious People. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”
https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Adams/99-02-02-3102
If you want to define away what that means have at it. No nation can last very long esp. at the hand of lost purpose...
“The Jewish faith holds the right to an abortion to be inviolable.”
Well, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob does not.
We’ve most certainly morphed into morally corrupt, but not without Divine Providence..
13 colonies wasn’t an accident.
50 states isn’t an accident..
It’s the pattern at the start of Christ’s government (Him +12)
And its 50 states representing growth of His Church, at 50 , Pentecost ..
So goes America, so goes the Church.
So goes the Church, so goes America..
The Founding Fathers as well as God say it is. That's good enough for me.
Best outcome of non-Torah Jews trying this sh*t is Orthodox Jews will (hopefully loudly) announce to all that this isn’t in accord with Jewish Halakhah, Jewish Torah-based law. Maybe those self-obsessed Jews will come to the realization that they are NOT following the Torah.
I have even more respect for President Reagan, because he had Orthodox Jews advising him on Halachah.
To read that article that said Pres Reagan had Orthodox Jewish advisors, check keyword Torah.
What a travesty.
"I'm so depressed. If I don'r get an abortion I will kill myself"
Yes, or no?
Emphasis mine.
Isn’t Jewish law based on the Old Testament of the Bible? I have read it entirely and do not recall anything like this. Did I miss it?
I’m not a Jew, but I did live in Brooklyn for quite a while.
“Jewish law” is kind if a misnomer. Orthodox Jews follow, or try to follow, 613 commandments, mostly in Exodus and Leviticus. Disputes among religious Jews have been settled by religious courts for millenia, and to the extent that the decisions of rabbinical courts have been preserved, rabbis spend their lifetimes studying them and applying them.
Those decisions form a sort of common law, but of course there are conflicts and variances among them, with no “Supreme Court” to settle them.
So there’s written (Torah) law, applied law (rabbinic courts) and (in some countries) civil laws that apply to Jews. All that together could reasonably be called “Jewish law”.
You’re going to kill yourself?
Actually, according to Jacob Neusner, abortion is forbidden in the Talmud, unless the life, not the health, of the mother is endangered by delivering the baby, in which case abortion is required. A life is not to be traded for a life.
You have forgotten the Talmud, which has governed Orthodox Judaism for at least fifteen hundred years.
“You’re going to kill yourself?”
Is that message for me?
Why?
Ancient Isreal had a problem with many believing that the right to sacrifice their children to molech or Chemosh was also inviolable. The prophets declared that the Lord thought otherwise and thus the Lord punished Israel for the crimes of its people.
The liberal Jews pushing this notion that Judaism supports unfettered abortions need to rethink this notion.
Because you are depressed and you can’t get an abortion.
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