Posted on 04/10/2022 3:31:57 PM PDT by NoLibZone
Nissan is working with NASA on a new type of battery for electric vehicles that promises to charge quicker and be lighter yet safe, the Japanese automaker said Friday.
The all-solid-state battery will replace the lithium-ion battery now in use for a 2028 product launch and a pilot plant launch in 2024, according to Nissan.
The all-solid-state battery is stable enough to be used in pacemakers. When finished, it will be about half the size of the current battery and fully charge in 15 minutes, instead of a few hours.
The collaboration with the U.S. space program, as well as the University of California San Diego, involves the testing of various materials, Corporate Vice President Kazuhiro Doi told reporters.
"Both NASA and Nissan need the same kind of battery," he said.
Nissan and NASA are using what's called the "original material informatics platform," a computerized database, to test various combinations to see what works best among hundreds of thousands of materials, Doi said.
The goal is to avoid the use of expensive materials like rare metals, which are needed for lithium-ion batteries.
Nissan is also counting on its historical experience with the Leaf electric car, which first hit the market in 2010 and has sold more than half a million units globally, although the battery technology is different, Doi and other company officials said.
The Leaf battery has not had any major accidents on roads, and some parts of the technology remain common, such as the lamination of the battery cell, they said.
Other automakers, including Japanese rival Toyota Motor Corp., as well as Volkswagen of Germany and U.S. automakers Ford Motor Co. and General Motors Co., are working on all-solid-state batteries.
Recently, General Motors and Japanese automaker Honda Motor Co. said they were working together on next-generation electric vehicles.
But Nissan Executive Vice President Kunio Nakaguro said Nissan is extremely competitive and that the battery it is developing promises to be "a game-changer."
Interest in electric vehicles is growing because of concerns about the use of fossil fuels contributing to climate change and pollution. Players in the EV sector, such as Tesla and Waymo, are also growing and there is increased competition.
Nissan Motor Co., based in Yokohama, has been eager to put behind it the scandal of its former superstar executive Carlos Ghosn. He was arrested in 2018 on various financial misconduct charges in Japan, but jumped bail in late 2019 and now lives in Lebanon, a nation of his ancestry that has no extradition treaty with Japan. He says he is innocent.
Ghosn, who led Nissan for two decades, spearheaded the electric vehicle drive at the company, which also makes the March subcompact and Infiniti luxury models.
How about hydrogen fuel cell technology? Hydrogen is a real beast to work with, but if NASA can made it work, it must have some potential as a fuel source.
But again, we need HUGE amounts of really cheaply generated electrical power to formulate the hydrogen from various water sources.
Which we can get from widespread application of thorium -fueled molten salt nuclear reactors. We have the technology, and with mass production, the costs of manufacture and implementation can ber brought down to competitive levels, replacing all kinds of solar and wind generation system, and eventually displacing all coal-fired plants, while phasing out uranium-fueled light water reactors.
Depends on how soon they finish it.
Maybe they can also work on their paint. Every car with hood / roof paint failures I see are Nissan. Including the one we sold a few years ago. Will never own another Nissan.
Clickbait. If the prototype works can they feasibly manufacture at the terawatt scale? They never analyze the latter question.
Electric cars to me are “sterile”. There is no fun in their ownership, maintenance and driving. They move but they are DEAD. As opposed to an internal combustion engine that’s ALIVE when it’s running.
Panasonic manufactures batteries for Tesla as well.
At some point, the rest of the world will have to face up to the reality of the rat-faced virus that the CCP is, their lawlessness, and blatant disregard of the concept of intellectual property.
They should be international pariahs.
Same general chemistry as Lithium ion batteries; but the media between anode and cathode is designed to be “glass-like” such that dendritic metallic growths cannot short the battery out over time.
This is one of the primary reasons lithium batteries fail, that and lithium crystallization at low charge values. The solid state promises a very long life, low thermal energy wasted during charge/discharge cycles and a life cycle measured in decades
This is useful for cars, boats, aircraft and municipal storage. One of the problems we face currently is lack of storage of energy on the municipal level.
Just to let you know that I know of what you speak:)
>I don’t know about their batteries, but I’ve owned a couple of their trucks (and one old Z-car ;>) which weren’t bad. IIRC, the Japanese company you don’t want building your car parts is Takata, of “exploding-parts-that-kill-you” fame...
I actually translated the Takata emails for litigation few years ago. Nissan used to be quite reliable but in the last decade their engineering and part quality have gone downhill. These solid state batteries will eventually take over the market though. The tech is just too early now.
>> When do you think they’ll change their corp name back to Datsun?
Next week? Well, maybe not dat soon.
Back in the 80s and 90s, I really liked Nissan but their quality went to crap and so I switched to Toyota as my go-to.
I remember one time talking to a cab driver in DC complaining that the company bought a fleet of Leafs and the drivers had to charge after almost every fare because the range was so crap. This was during the Obama days and the company had some arrangement with the District government to cover most of the costs of the vehicles so the only ones that got screwed were the drivers.
Every car with hood / roof paint failures I see are Nissan”.
Park in the shade.
My 26 year-old Nissan pickup has clearcoat paint failure, but this is Florida! Their US forum has the name “legendary Nissan”.
From FR, I understand that Toyota will automatically replace your battery after a minor fender-bender. The cost is transferred to your insurance—or rather, “shared”.
This will be a game-changer, if it actually works. Right at the moment, it's vaporware. I've heard such claims before, that fall apart somewhere between the research lab and reality.
Just as an aside, can anyone visualize cramming enough electrical energy to propel a car 300 miles into a suitcase-sized battery in 15 minutes? That's some killer amperage (and I do mean "killer").
For what it’s worth, I was just watching The Masters and Mercedes-Benz is claiming 600 miles on a charge.
>I remember one time talking to a cab driver in DC complaining that the company bought a fleet of Leafs and the drivers had to charge after almost every fare because the range was so crap.
They’re working on mini-cassette solid state batteries that you can multi-insert (4 cassette batteries per car) and just pull and change out the dead batteries, kind of like the Ryobi etc batteries for tools but on a larger scale.
They have a goofy minicar in Japan that can move 4 people and float in water that use those cassette batteries and its definitely trending that way, but the tech is still too young. You can’t get more than 100 miles in one without all the cassette batteries going dead.
I knew some folks who moved to the Atlanta, Georgia area, maybe 6-8 years ago. They said about three-quarters of the houses on their block had Nissan Leaf EVs - not because they were good cars, but because there were enough federal, State and local or company rebates/incentives to make the cars cheap & attractive. In short, I guess you can pay some people enough to take one home.
And as my good friend Captain Obvious said many years ago, "Electric cars might make sense for some people who live in metro areas, but in rural areas they suck!"
;>)
From Datsun?
No thanks.
I don't know about that but this was several years ago. I just know the cabbies were complaining that they couldn't pick up as many fares as they used to with gas powered cars.
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