I have not followed this case. These guys guilty?
Yes.
Guilty of trying to be the police and not calling the police.
They tried to detain him, and Goober got too close with the shotgun and killed him.
One could argue self defense, but it doesn’t look good.
Three white guys with a truck chasing down one black guy on foot.
Personally, I think they should be found guilty of some degree of homicide. They were pretty much the definition of vigilantes. The wx-cop dad apparently didn’t understand that he was “ex.”
Followed the case semi-closely. The whole thing stemmed from the McMichaels attempting to effect a “citizens arrest” of Arbery, but under Georgia law, they needed “immediate knowledge” of a felony, which they basically admitted that they didn’t have. They suspected (correctly) that Arbery had entered a house under construction (the felony, burglary), but the McMichaels basically admitted that they had a suspicion and wanted to question Arbery, they didn’t actually see him enter or leave the house.
So they didn’t actually have the legal right to detain or arrest Arbery, making their use of force illegal. So the McMIchaels are probably rightly guilty. Bryan was basically along for the ride, and it would not be surprising if he’s acquitted.
It's especially egregious because the elder guy worked for the DA as an investigator and should have known better.
Dumb and Dumber got irresponsible and full of dumbest. Tragic so far based on testimony.
It’s a tricky case; they are not being charged with 1st degree murder, but felony murder. The point of contention is whether, by aiming their firearms at Arbery while trying to make a “citizen’s arrest”, this constituted aggravated assault by the defendants that Arbery was justified in responding to with force.
If the jury thinks that is the case, then Arbery died while the defendants were committing a felony, and they are then also guilty of felony murder. If the jury thinks that pointing a gun in that context is not unlawful, then they should be found innocent.
I suspect that they’ll be found guilty of something. Arbery was almost certainly poking around the under-construction house looking for something to steal, BUT it wasn’t the defendants’ house, so this isn’t really a self-defense or home-is-my-castle type case. Everything hinges on the extent to which the jurors think that the defendants’ conduct was reasonable when engaging in a citizen arrest under these circumstances. I’m guessing that there’s going to be a lot of discomfort with the idea that folks engaging in citizen arrests of suspect burglars (of someone else’s house) have broad authority with respect to use of force.
Andrew Branca over at Legal Insurrection thinks a Not Guilty is very possible.
This was the "innocent jogger" carrying a hammer case from February 2020.
You might remember the case from the below picture. A guy was caught on a web cam walking through a house under construction and rummaging through toolboxes.
Two guys chased him down in a pickup truck, one with a shotgun standing in the bed of the truck, while a third person gave chase in a separate vehicle and caught some of the action on cell phone video.
The guys in the truck confronted the guy they were chasing (Ahmaud Arbery) and while fighting over the shotgun, it discharged, killing Arbery.
At least that's my recollection of the gist of the matter.
>>I have not followed this case. These guys guilty?<<
Like the Rittenhouse case, those who have followed the trial and listened to the evidence understand it’s another political prosecution to placate Antifa-BLM, and the defendants are not guilty and never should have been charged.
What is disgusting is that the Leftist prosecutor and the judge have wrongly presented the law regarding citizen’s arrest in the closing rebuttal and jury instructions, respectively. They’ve placed their elbows on the scales of justice, to which the defense attorneys have objected and which will form a basis for a mistrial if any of them are (wrongly) convicted.
Oh yeh!!
This isn't the Rittenhouse case. These guys chased the man down, threatened to blow his head off if he didn't stop, accosted him with drawn firearms, and when he defended himself they shot him. That should add up to a guilty verdict but we'll see.
I saw the video of the event. I think they ‘defendants’ were wrong. They should have called the police and backed off. I suspect they will be found guilty.
“These guys guilty?”
As a technical matter of law....maybe, maybe not. Haven’t followed the trial closely but read Legal Insurrection articles on it. I think these bastards ought to fry, but Georgia used to have a law that MIGHT make their actions legal. If I was on the jury, they’d be in big trouble. Killing someone after you provoke a fight and threaten their life...then I’m not sure I care about “technical” points of law!
Absolutely not. Self defense. Watch the video and you’ll see that Arbery attacks the guy with the shotgun.
No.
Yes