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Let's Stop Pretending About the Covid-19 Vaccines
MSN -- Real Clear Science ^ | August 24, 2021 | Buzz Hollander, MD

Posted on 08/25/2021 1:43:04 PM PDT by Jewbacca

As a family physician, I spend my days dispensing advice. I mean, there's the occasional cast, skin biopsy, or shot, but most of my patients are seeing me for medical counsel. Never have I been asked about one subject so much as the Covid-19 vaccines, and never have I seen so much doubt and confusion among a group of smart, well-educated people. Interpreting the reality of the effectiveness of these vaccines is complicated: it is waning with time, weakened against delta, unknown when coupled with prior infection, and may not be improved with a booster - but there is new, often murky, data emerging every day. Speaking the truth about the vaccines, however, should not be that hard. We have to be willing to adapt to new data, even when it does not fit neatly into prior messaging.

That's where our institutions went astray. I understand the desire of our public health officials, spearheaded by the CDC, to instill confidence in the Covid-19 vaccines; they remain the most expedient path to minimize the suffering inflicted by this pandemic. However, by taking on the role of no-nuance vaccine cheerleaders, they left everyone in a worse situation.

Patients and doctors looking to the CDC for guidance in decision-making receive low quality or dated information. The mainstream media is stuck between reporting public health dictates as valid, while being unable to resist doom-and-gloom reports of vaccine "failures" that sell ad space. The obvious gap between "what the CDC says" and "what we see, hear and read" has left a large space for grifters, self-styled experts, and conspiracy theorists to thrive, especially among the large group of vaccine-hesitant (often vaccine-terrified) Americans. The whole thing might have gone better had we stuck to telling the truth as we knew it.

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KEYWORDS: covid; covid1984; immunity; vaccine
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Excellent, unbiased articles. Some further points he makes:

Let's stop pretending the vaccines are 90% effective and breakthrough cases are "uncommon."

Let's stop pretending that vaccinated people are far less likely to spread SARS-CoV-2.

Let's stop pretending that it's rare for vaccinated people to develop severe Covid-19 or die.

Let's stop pretending that prior infection should not influence the decision to vaccinate.

Let's stop pretending that the vaccines are a no-brainer for adolescents and children.

Let's stop pretending that a third booster is definitely going to help.

Let's stop pretending that these vaccines are "kill-shots," cause sterility, spread disease, etc.

Let's stop pretending that the vaccines are the only way to reduce the burden of Covid-19.

And, finally, let's stop pretending that vaccines alone will bring an end to Covid-19.

1 posted on 08/25/2021 1:43:04 PM PDT by Jewbacca
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To: Jewbacca

Thanks, Jewbacca - another great post!


2 posted on 08/25/2021 1:44:48 PM PDT by \/\/ayne (I regret that I have but one subscription cancellation notice to give to my local newspaper)
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To: Jewbacca

We need to hear more stuff like that.

If someone wants to recommend the vaccine to me, that’s fine. But don’t push. Don’t call me a fool if I say no. Let me make my own choice. It’s clearly not a miracle pill. Maybe it’s a good choice for me. Depends on my situation.


3 posted on 08/25/2021 1:46:03 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (We have two Democrat parties. 50% of the US population is taxed w/o representation.)
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To: Jewbacca
It is FAR TOO LATE for the media and the Deep State / Technology Axis to tell the truth above the gene therapies ("vaccines" that contain no live or killed virus).

No matter what they say from here onward, I will take any of them. The more they talk, the more resistant I am. When they try to use violence to make us take it (and they will), I will resist with violence, as is my right as an American.

4 posted on 08/25/2021 1:46:23 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (But what do I know? I'm just a backwoods engineer.)
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To: Jewbacca

FTA:

“So - what does the science say? It says: barring new evidence, there is no clear benefit to immunizing those with confirmed prior infection.”


5 posted on 08/25/2021 1:46:26 PM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalemabcxp. A A)
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To: Jewbacca
(sorry for repost; typo)

It is FAR TOO LATE for the media and the Deep State / Technology Axis to tell the truth about the gene therapies ("vaccines" that contain no live or killed virus).

No matter what they say from here onward, I will take any of them. The more they talk, the more resistant I am. When they try to use violence to make us take it (and they will), I will resist with violence, as is my right as an American.

6 posted on 08/25/2021 1:47:01 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (But what do I know? I'm just a backwoods engineer.)
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To: Jewbacca

Finally!
An unbiased article without propaganda.

Well done!


7 posted on 08/25/2021 1:47:05 PM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Jesus + Something = Nothing ; Jesus + Nothing = Everything )
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To: ClearCase_guy

“We need to hear more stuff like that.”

This was probably the fairest, both-sides, article on COVID I’ve read to date.

Something in here to piss off everyone, I’m sure.


8 posted on 08/25/2021 1:47:55 PM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalemabcxp. A A)
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My wife’s in the middle on the thing. She is a health care professional. She zeroes in on the lack of testing and a control group, and doesn’t follow the mass genocide narrative I do.


9 posted on 08/25/2021 1:50:06 PM PDT by Luke21
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To: \/\/ayne

Kind of on a science roll today, everyone is grounded for a couple of days for an unexpected software patch.

I’m bored out of my f-—g mind.


10 posted on 08/25/2021 1:50:57 PM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalemabcxp. A A)
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To: Jewbacca

The more pressure a salesman exerts to sell his product the more skeptical I become of the product.

When the salesman starts to resort to threats it’s no longer about the product to me it’s about the salesman.


11 posted on 08/25/2021 1:51:45 PM PDT by TigersEye (Who shot Ashli Babbitt?)
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To: Jewbacca

Good points. I’m surprised MSN elected to post this.

It contradicts their VACCINATE OR DIE! diktat.


12 posted on 08/25/2021 1:52:01 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (I love my country. It's my government that I hate.)
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To: Jewbacca

Good article. Surprised to find it on MSN.


13 posted on 08/25/2021 1:52:11 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: \/\/ayne
Maybe if the CDC had hired used car salesmen to convince the public....... just commenting for a friend ;)

They have already resorted to becoming Game Show Hosts with prizes awarded for getting the jab....

I mean look at Krispy Kreme Free Donut each day for the rest of 2021 upon showing your vaccination record card. So we want you to be health but here's you donut! WTF!

14 posted on 08/25/2021 1:53:45 PM PDT by Lockbox (politicians, they all seemed like game show hosts to me.... Sting)
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To: Jewbacca
Let's stop pretending that these vaccines are "kill-shots," cause sterility, spread disease, etc.

 

Uh, excuse me? As it becomes apparent that MRNA injections do cause harm and damage to the body's immune system, then yeah.

These vaccines will spread disease.

15 posted on 08/25/2021 1:55:25 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (I love my country. It's my government that I hate.)
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To: nascarnation; Responsibility2nd

MSN has had two articles back-to-back break the censorship blockage. It’s made me peruse their site.

The one on natural immunity is here:

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3988777/posts

We probably should be worried about their safety. A terror attack will be coming shortly.


16 posted on 08/25/2021 1:55:40 PM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalemabcxp. A A)
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To: Jewbacca

If the “experts” were truthful and said we don’t have all the answers, but this is what we know now, etc. people would respect that.

However, they chose the shut up and do what we say method and flip flopped multiple times and tried to pretend they never did a 180 on their “science.”


17 posted on 08/25/2021 1:57:48 PM PDT by matt04 ( )
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To: backwoods-engineer

So you will take any of them?

No matter what they say from here onward, “”I will take any of them””. The more they talk, the more resistant I am. When they try to use violence to make us take it (and they will), I will resist with violence, as is my right as an American.


18 posted on 08/25/2021 1:58:12 PM PDT by US_MilitaryRules
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To: backwoods-engineer
No matter what they say from here onward, I will take any of them.

You will?

Well, you are certainly brave for saying so.

Good luck and don't order stuff off the internet.

19 posted on 08/25/2021 1:58:35 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: Responsibility2nd

Maybe so.

Some viruses do do that — measles as an adult, for example.

Right now, the science on that appears pretty junky, at best. It bears investigation, certainly. Perhaps a reason to avoid the vaccine if you’ve had COVID or are young/low risk.


20 posted on 08/25/2021 1:59:13 PM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalemabcxp. A A)
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