Posted on 04/09/2021 4:14:35 AM PDT by sodpoodle
Prince Philip, the Duke of Edinburgh and husband of Queen Elizabeth II, has died at age 99, the royal family announced Friday.
Philip and the queen were married for more than 70 years, making him the longest-serving spouse of a reigning British monarch. He was the oldest-ever male member of the British royal family.
Philip was born on the Greek island of Corfu on June 10, 1921, to Prince Andrew of Greece and Princess Alice of Battenberg.
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They drink room temperature beer, not warm per se
The Crown is pure fiction. It is not factual
It turned into a non-stop Thatcher Bash Fest.
well, he had to fight if he was still in the UK - he wasn’t a naturalized subject of the UK then in 1941 (he became so in 1947), but he was expected to fight.
Warm ale allows you to taste the flavour. Most American commercial beers are chilled as they are flavourless.
Try drinking a good ale like Harvey’s at room temperature. It is flavourful
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three of his brothers-in-law were Nazis
It’s a bogus issue. Winston Churchill was arguably prejudiced against the Chinese. He refused to meet with Chang Kai Shek and his wife. And he saved the world from the biggest racists of them all, the Nazis, by taking a stand against impossible odds. Harry Truman was definitely a racist and an anti-Semite socially, but he integrated the military and recognized the State of Israel against the express advice of the State Department. “By their fruits shall you know them” may be from the New Testament, but it’s a wisdom rooted in the Torah, too. Wokeys have their heads up their a@@es, and they’re the biggest bigots of them all.
Many considered Nixon an anti-Semite, but Golda Meir acknowledged that Nixon saved Israel in 1973.
The Windsors had a real blind spot when it came to the Nazis. Some of it was due to heritage. Some of it was due to what happened to the czar and his family and their role in it. Some of it was just outright anti-Semitism.
But the British monarchy stopped being about what’s best for their subjects centuries ago, so in that respect the Windsors are carrying on a fine tradition of doing what’s best for them.
And the case for all these august men being “racist” is much stronger than that against Donald J. Trump, who is a great benefactor of blacks, Hispanics, Chinese, women, Jews...
While these “progressives” continue to systematically sh!t on everyone.
George VI stood tall against them. It was his brother Edward who was pro-Nazi, which is part of the reason why he had to abdicate. The other part being his wife.
Churchill was a racist - racist to pretty much any non-Anglo-Saxon.
He also participated in the Boer war which set up concentration camps that killed many Boers.
Churchill was also responsible for the debacle that was Gallipolli - instead of attacking at Antalya which could have resulted in far less Entente lives lost.
However Churchill was the right man for the UK for the years 1940 to 1945.
He was a bad peace-time leader but a good war time leader.
he didn’t fight against the Nazis because they were racists but rather because they threatened Britain.
In those days, racism was the norm, and he did not make his career by being a racist, but by being the dashing young son of Lord Randolph Churchill, galloping around in South Africa.
At one point, prior to becoming the PM, he had a chance to meet with Hitler, but he confronted Hitler’s aide about his anti-Jewish racial policies, notwithstanding his success on the economic front, and in the end they called off the meeting.
At the time that he became PM, Britain was already at war with Germany, but Chamberlain had made a hash of it and he was called in to rescue the Conservative party from losing the Government and the war.
As for the Boers, Lord Kitchener put them in concentration camps, not young adventurous journalist Churchill escaping from prison camp and becoming the story.
As for Gallipoli, before committing the Navy to that debacle, he had rebuilt it as Lord High Admiral, and it only became a debacle because the land forces that his naval assault had brought in did not immediately attack. Kitchener again. Great at starving Boer women and children, overrated as a general.
It doesn’t matter why he fought the Nazis. Had he yielded to pressure to surrender, with the Expeditionary Force trapped at Dunkirk and France nearly overrun, that would have been the end. He fought the Nazis, rather do the easy thing.
What if Lincoln was a racist. He fought to keep the country together, and the end result was an end to slavery. But all he had said he would do was contain it from expanding westward. The result was brought about by his being assassinated after winning the war, something which he surely had not wanted.
“By their fruits you shall know them.” Not by their intentions or aims.
Then using Aussies for scapegoats.
Kitchener was an ass, but a titled ass. That meant something in those days.
No, racism wasn’t “the norm”. People were prejudiced more than today, but they were still people.
Churchill was a different level - he was ok with Chinese and Indians dying and didn’t care too much about Jews or Slavs or southern Europeans either.
“At one point, prior to becoming the PM, he had a chance to meet with Hitler, but he confronted Hitler’s aide about his anti-Jewish racial policies, notwithstanding his success on the economic front, and in the end they called off the meeting.” —> Churchill had his “wilderness years” from 1929 to 1939 and wasn’t in government and didn’t meet with anyone from the German govt (Hitler came to power in 1933)
Churchill was a deeply flawed man. He was the man of the hour during WWII, and should be lauded for that, but we need to remember his drawbacks as well.
Racism has to be the norm if you have a vast global empire. To continuously subjugate Indians, Chinese, Arabs, Kurds, Africans and Jews, you have to believe you are a better judge of what’s good for them than they are, and that was the nature of the “white man’s burden”. No bigee. The British were more benign imperialists than the Chicoms presently are. But some sense of racial and/or cultural superiority was still required, and without it you couldn’t get close to the levers of power.
“Churchill had his “wilderness years” from 1929 to 1939 and wasn’t in government and didn’t meet with anyone from the German govt (Hitler came to power in 1933)”
I’m quoting one of his biographers who was a regular guest at his table. The meeting wasn’t official, just a preliminary meet at a tavern during the wilderness years, which never went anywhere because he objected to Hitler’s racial persecution of Jews. He had railed against the White Paper, blocking Jewish immigration to the Mandate, but then, when he became PM, signed it as a geopolitical necessity because of the war. When Labour formed their government after the war, they immediately further alienated the already estranged Jews of the Mandate, who had voted for Labour as a reaction to the White Paper. The result was the bombing of the King David Hotel and the subsequent dissolution of the Mandate. Churchill was actually a Judaio-phile, who did what he did to the Jews of the Mandate in order to prevent or at least lessen Arab uprisings around the vital oil reserves in Iraq and the Hijaz. Labour, however, was totally on the side of the Arabs. Leftards will be leftards.
He was out of government, but still in parliament, and still a man of some importance. He was not in government, because after jumping from Conservative to Liberal, he had jumped back to Conservative. Conservatives were mad at him for making fun of them for 20 years, and Liberals were mad at him for abandoning them.
“Churchill was a deeply flawed man.”
I’d say that England was and still is a deeply flawed country. His flaws were chronic bipolar disorder, and an ignorance of the Greeks, which he refused to study in school and was whipped for. Lin Yutang in Between Tears and Laughter (Doubleday, 1940) uncannily detects his ignorance of the Greeks, and ascribed it as the cause for his treatment of China, repeating the mistakes of the Athenian demagogues. He also used to do his office work in bed, and was overly domineering to subordinates, and a drinker.
But he was also an accomplished writer/historian, painter and bricklayer, in addition to saving the free world. He dreamt up the idea of the European Union, and wisely walked away from it while it was gaining popularity in Europe. He also served most of his second term as PM totally paralyzed, but managed to hide it. He was more than the “man of the hour”. The remainder of the 20th Century, from the shape of the Cold War, to the partitioning of Ireland and the Jewish homeland, to the formation of the EU, all bore his imprint.
England remains two steps behind the times to this day. The yobs are the ones with sense, but the peerage and the media are unable to catch up with their thinking. They’re still resisting Brexit, totally delusional about the “refugees,” and are consequently demonizing working class heroes such as Tommy Robinson for standing up to the grooming gangs that prey on teenage girls. Finest hour was eighty years ago.
We’re heading into history :)
Ok, look here - the British were NOT racist to Indians in the Indian subcontinent until the late 1800s. Prior to the spreading of Darwinian ideas, there was a lot of admiration for Indian cultures, even while there was exploitation.
From the 1870s one does see the concept of racial superiority by the British in India.
But even among those, the opinions of Gen. Dwyer and Churchill were extreme. That’s what I meant when I said that Churchill was racist even by the standards of the day.
That doesn’t take away his actions and the praise he deserves for his actions in WWII. However he was flawed and not a good peacetime leader.
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