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Why Polls This Year Are Crap: A Continuing Saga
https://the-american-catholic.com/ ^ | 10/16/2020 | Donald R. McClarey

Posted on 10/18/2020 8:08:26 AM PDT by BenghaziMemoriam

Robert Barnes explains how bad the polls are. As well as being an attorney, Barnes
has wagered on elections for decades. He has never been wrong on a presidential
election. In 2016 he won 500k betting on Trump. He puts his money where his mouth is.
Ignore the polls and focus on the election fundamentals.

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KEYWORDS: 2020election; election2020; landslide; polls; redwave; robertbarnes; trump; trumplandslide
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To: cdcdawg

You know those “undecided” voters and “unaffiliated” voters.

They are the “don’t dox me bro” Trump voters!


21 posted on 10/18/2020 8:46:47 AM PDT by cgbg (Biden n-2020: Criminal enterprise using cokehead as bagman.)
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To: kempster
I heard pollsters complaining about this. Back when they had a 10% response rate they could not get statistically reliable results. I've heard their response rate is now under 1%.

A few times this year they didn't recognize voicemail and started polling it, so they have tried to call me.

22 posted on 10/18/2020 8:46:59 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (The greatest threat to world freedom is the Chinese Communist Party and Joe Biden is their puppet.)
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To: fireman15

The point is that if they came out and said Trump was going to win in a landslide, which is what most people want. Then most people aren’t going to be as interested in the polls. They will be happy, but won’t follow as closely.

If they say the race is close, they get attention.

If they say that Biden is going to win in a landslide, then they get a following because most people are wondering how can that be and hoping the polls change. And at the same time, they get to try to change public opinion through their push polls.

the danger with the latter scenario is that people realize they pushing a narrative and tune out completely.


23 posted on 10/18/2020 8:51:55 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: BenghaziMemoriam
Polls are now utterly unreliable for the simple reason that 98% of people won’t participate if called. It wasn’t near that bad ten years ago, but now . . .

One point is that the last eleven presidents who ran for reelection and faced no significant primary opposition all won.

Concomitantly, in all of US history only one senator - Warren G. Harding in 1920 - has ever defeated a governor - never mind a sitting POTUS - for election to the presidency. VP is not an executive position, merely political heir to the POTUS. Senators/VPs only beat other senators/VPs.

Add to that the fact that nobody who doesn’t attain at least VP less that 20 years after attaining statewide office (senator or governor) has ever been elected POTUS. New presidents are shooting stars (Clinton, Obama, Trump) much more so than old warhorses like Bob Dole and Joe Biden.

Trump is right about one thing for sure: he will have a lot to live down if he loses to Biden. Especially now that we know for certain that Biden is as crooked as the day is long (not that that was actual news . . .).

24 posted on 10/18/2020 9:00:51 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (Socialism is cynicism directed towards society and - correspondingly - naivete towards government.)
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To: PermaRag

Nates a liberal pundit who pretends math is the basis for his punditry..

Polls are beyond garbage this year.

Biden is not remotely in the verge of winning, let alone winning by a Reagan/Carter or Reagan V Mondale margin.


25 posted on 10/18/2020 9:09:27 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

26 posted on 10/18/2020 9:09:47 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: Trump.Deplorable

‘Polls are crap because nobody has land lines’

so if Trump were up 7 points with two weeks to go you’d consider his odds to be crap...?


27 posted on 10/18/2020 9:11:43 AM PDT by IrishBrigade
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

I watched the interview .a lot of election history and a good explanation of democratic early voting..how the media says they are ahead but if your money is on the line there wrong..just to get the people who like to vote for the winner


28 posted on 10/18/2020 9:12:20 AM PDT by Hojczyk
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To: MuttTheHoople

I live in a small town west of Austin. I’ve never seen a Biden yard sign in front of a residence. This is strange. At a minimum it could mean “no enthusiasm” and a stay at home voter on election day.

Another point you listed I can relate to is I don’t put signs in my yard because I’m not interested in having my property vandalized or “punked” as the Democratic Party has now sunk low enough to do.


29 posted on 10/18/2020 9:13:18 AM PDT by Cen-Tejas
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To: KarlInOhio

The favt that Biden is questioning his own supposed lead is he knows the Red Wave will sink him.


30 posted on 10/18/2020 9:15:28 AM PDT by kempster (w President of all time.)
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To: cdcdawg

In my case, my early voting location is closer to my house than my regular polling place (which did move further away this year—I guess they are consolidating due to covid or lack of volunteers or whatever).

Looking forward to Election Day—I will be so nervous all day! 2016 was such a fun party. We all waited up so long to finally find out PA was finally called for Trump and then we drank Trump sparkling wine from his winery (which is pretty good, but his still wines aren’t).


31 posted on 10/18/2020 9:15:54 AM PDT by olivia3boys
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To: Brilliant
I do think that conservatives are less likely to participate in polls than they were in 2016.

I participate in polls - I always lie. I feel its my civic duty, given the corrupt state of our fake made.

I just received a text poll yesterday. For this one, I was a lesbian Indian with six children with favorable views of Biden, voting for the Green Party.

32 posted on 10/18/2020 9:18:06 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: BenghaziMemoriam

Why Polls This Year Are Crap: A Continuing Saga.

Polls every year past, present, and future are crap. They always reflect the desire the guy paying for them wants. Always...without a doubt. Anybody who really believes them is a moron.


33 posted on 10/18/2020 9:19:47 AM PDT by GoldenPup
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To: IrishBrigade

It doesn’t matter, he could be up 12 points or down 8, the polls are just crap shoots right now. Polls mean nothing right now.

Biden is up 20 points one day then only up be 4 and now the campaign issued a warning to supporters that don’t believe any poll that has Biden up. Tells you even they know it is all crap

Believe whatever crap you want, but I predict that Trump is going to win this, whether it is a big epic win or just barely finishing over the 270 mark is yet to be known, we will find out on election day.

Trump is acting like a winner

Biden is acting like a loser


34 posted on 10/18/2020 9:20:08 AM PDT by Trump.Deplorable
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To: Cen-Tejas

Austin is the epicenter for Marxist proggies. That’s interesting.

I will say this. A Biden sign is safer in non-Austin Texas than a Trump poster/sticker in California.


35 posted on 10/18/2020 9:25:38 AM PDT by MuttTheHoople (What if the Lord sent COVID-19 to immunize the world from something more deadly?)
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To: BenghaziMemoriam

A net of one sixth of people asked refuse to answer polls
when they are voting for Trump, only 6% refuse to say Biden, 23% refuse
to answer, Trump. That means only 77 % of Trump vote ia there
but 94 % of Biden vote is there. To get the true picture use some math (#? Rasmussen talked about this in August)

Here are two polls released today by Yougov
Arizona : Biden 50, Trump 47
Biden : 50 / 94% = 53.2
Trump 47/ 77% = 61.1
total = 114.2
Now adjust for Major Party Pct reported (97)
Biden: 53.2 x (97/114.2) = 45.2
Trump: 61.1 x (97/114.2) = 51.9
In Arizona a Trump 3 point deficit turns into a 7 point win

Wisconsin: Biden 51, Trump 46
Biden: 51 / 94% = 54.2
Trump: 45 / 77% = 58.4
Total= 112.7
Now adjust again vs Major (97)
Biden: 54.2 x (97/112.7) = 46.6
Trump: 58.4 X (97/112.7)= 50.3
In Wisconsin a Trump 5 point deficit becomes a 3 point win

This is the effect of Shy Trump
36 posted on 10/18/2020 9:27:46 AM PDT by BigEdLB (BigedLB, Russian BOT, At your service)
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To: GoldenPup
Why Polls This Year Are Crap: A Continuing Saga

Smart pollsters find out what results the client wants, get the money up front and then produce the results.

37 posted on 10/18/2020 9:28:19 AM PDT by Don Corleone (The truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth)
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To: BigEdLB
Using the link above and weighting polls by age I get the chart. I took half of the Gary Johnson Vote in NM and gave it to Trump.

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38 posted on 10/18/2020 9:34:59 AM PDT by BigEdLB (BigedLB, Russian BOT, At your service)
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To: kempster

Ditto here and millions of others. If Trump loses the election was stolen.


39 posted on 10/18/2020 9:35:58 AM PDT by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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To: BigEdLB

I also took the Mittens Hissy Fit Vote (MacMullin) and add it back to trump. It is only significant in ID and UT


40 posted on 10/18/2020 9:37:37 AM PDT by BigEdLB (BigedLB, Russian BOT, At your service)
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