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Is Joe Really Up by 10 Points over Trump?
American Thinker ^ | September 8, 2020 | John Kudla

Posted on 09/08/2020 5:16:46 AM PDT by Kaslin

It has been said that numbers never lie, but statistics do. A political poll is a relative handful of numbers statistically analyzed and adjusted to yield, hopefully, simple results. On their best days, polls are educated guesses. On bad days, polls are outright lies. The Real Clear Politics National Poll Average has both.

For a poll to be reasonably accurate, it needs a relatively large sample size, a good model reflective of the electorate, and it should include only those people likely to vote, AKA likely voters. The voter model is much more important than either of the other two issues. Get this wrong, and you can get a really skewed result.

One of the basic elements of a voter model is party affiliation. This Gallup party affiliation poll shows that most voters claim to be independents, and those claiming to be either Republicans or Democrats are pretty evenly split. If you average the numbers for 2020, you find that 28.5% claim to be Republicans and 29.7% are Democrats, a gap of just over 1 percentage point. In June 2020, a Pew Research survey found party affiliation at 33% Democrat, 29% Republican, with 34% identifying as independents. There are many other things involved in a voter model, such as age, sex, ethnicity, turnout, etc., but the point is, no national voter model should have a gap in party affiliation between Republicans and Democrats greater than about 3–4% and probably less.

Now let's look at the oft cited Real Clear Politics National Poll Average, shown below, which has Joe Biden at 7.1 percentage points over Donald Trump. Is this an accurate reflection of the presidential race? Probably not.

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1 posted on 09/08/2020 5:16:46 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

President Hillary was always way up in the polls.


2 posted on 09/08/2020 5:18:10 AM PDT by shelterguy
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To: Kaslin

If you believe Real Clear Politics, you deserved to be conned. RCP Founder Tom Bevan is on WGN Radio in Chicago every week. Bevan is a Democrat operative. Real Clear Politics tries to sell the BS that they are neutral, but in reality, RCP is no better than CNN.


3 posted on 09/08/2020 5:20:08 AM PDT by EC Washington
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To: Kaslin

Hillary was up by 10, too.


4 posted on 09/08/2020 5:20:29 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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5 posted on 09/08/2020 5:20:30 AM PDT by Helicondelta (Deplorable)
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To: Kaslin

No Republican presidential candidate has led in 50 years at this point. Polls are faked to raise money for dems.


6 posted on 09/08/2020 5:21:16 AM PDT by bray (Pray for President Trump)
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He might up by more than that! ~sarc Biden needs to be handed a BINGO card. Not the nations nuclear codes.


7 posted on 09/08/2020 5:21:58 AM PDT by albie
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To: bray

It all part of the suppress the Republican turnout effort. Happens every time.


8 posted on 09/08/2020 5:22:47 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: Kaslin
Reporting that Biden is way up on Trump is necessary to lay the framework for stealing the election post-election day by counting and recounting mail-in ballots until Biden wins.

If polls showed Biden behind, then it would be less credible in the minds of the Sheeple that Biden actually won the vote.

9 posted on 09/08/2020 5:23:07 AM PDT by Yo-Yo ( is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Kaslin

Biden’s up only 7 on average in the polls, not 10.

If Biden only wins nationally by 3-4 percentage points, Trump still has a good chance to be re-elected thanks to the electoral college. So really if the race tightens another 4 pp in the next few weeks before people start voting it would be tied.

Problem is that convention bounces tend to fade.


10 posted on 09/08/2020 5:23:29 AM PDT by babble-on
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They will continue to show Biden ahead or very close so they can justify the results after the ballot harvesting/cheating


11 posted on 09/08/2020 5:27:23 AM PDT by Hatteras
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To: Helicondelta

Great graphic. I saved it.


12 posted on 09/08/2020 5:31:39 AM PDT by moovova (https://therealjoe.com/)
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To: Kaslin

He just might be, given all the vote fraud the Dems are setting up this time.


13 posted on 09/08/2020 5:35:36 AM PDT by OKSooner (Jacob Blake had it coming.)
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To: Kaslin

There are real polls and polls intended for consumption by the great unwashed


14 posted on 09/08/2020 5:35:43 AM PDT by Chauncey Gardiner
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To: Helicondelta

these were the final poll numbers. they had all tightened up at the end to save face... do you get an equal value you need to look at the phone numbers in early September and compare.


15 posted on 09/08/2020 5:35:44 AM PDT by hollywood12345
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To: hollywood12345

That was done on voice text so just follow the jist LOL


16 posted on 09/08/2020 5:36:31 AM PDT by hollywood12345
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To: Kaslin

Polls are supposed to adjust for difference in the population.


17 posted on 09/08/2020 5:36:50 AM PDT by Fido969 (In!)
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To: EC Washington

What is one being conned out of? It’s just a poll.

I don’t even know why they are posted anymore


18 posted on 09/08/2020 5:37:12 AM PDT by dp0622 (I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO ABOUT THE COVID GODFATHER, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO. YOU CAN ACT LIKE A MAN!)
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To: bray

Polls are often faked by the media, too, in the interest of dollars. Election seasons are their bonanza. Candidates must pay for their advertising up front, and at full rate, so media outlets have a strong motive to keep the races looking close, so both sides keep buying and buying up until Election Day.


19 posted on 09/08/2020 5:37:30 AM PDT by JennysCool
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To: Kaslin

The author is mixing his metaphors. The metaphors are, Figures never lie but liars often figure and there 3 kinds of lies: lies; damned lies; and statistics.


20 posted on 09/08/2020 5:40:07 AM PDT by radmanptn
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