[Seruzawa]

Unfortunately it is impossible any information being released about the numbers. No one is interested in the truth. Just how the chrisis can be used.

[Robert DeLong]

The objective was to flatten the curve and reduce the total number of victims of COVID-19.

You are half correct and half wrong. Yes it was to flatten out the curve, but it was never to reduce the total number of viruses. It was to buy time to catch up with PPE and ventilators and to prevent overwhelming hospitals.

The virus was among us much earlier than we knew. Thus people were transmitting the virus. It's just that in most cases people rarely get symptoms and/or they experience mild symptoms, unless they have underlying health issues.

We didn't have testing due to errors and due to China not providing samples of the virus to create effective tests. The fact that we have more people being confirmed is due to testing now being available and the fact that it has been among us for longer than we knew and had been spreading all that time when we were unaware that it was among us already.

[Secret Agent Man]

3) the numbers are not accurate/manipulated/overcounted

i bet 3

[UnwashedPeasant]

"25,375 new cases in a single day"

Where do you see this?

It is likely fake news. Someone could be reporting this to discredit state reopenings. This ignores that there is a 2-week incubation period, so any increase due to opening the economy would be seen later.

[ScottinVA]

We’re testing more than 250,000 people per day, and that figure is going to rise with the increased availability of tests. The rate of deaths is dropping overall. A couple weeks ago, we were averaging 2,300 deaths per day and now it’s trending downward (with the exception of the occasional upward spike) overall. The numbers of recovered patients is accelerating as well. More than 73% of resolved cases (187,553 recoveries vs 69,731 deaths) are recoveries.

[TomGuy]

More testing is being done; thus, more results are becoming available.

I still look at the death rate-to-recovery rate, but most seem to ignore the recovery rate.

For my state it is 80 deaths-to-2041 recoveries. So far, it has 54,608 tests with 3,469 positive and 51,139 negative.

[goodnesswins]

I don’t care about “cases”...tell me the deaths...and don’t make it Covid-19 for nearly everyone.

[Amendment10]

"Most of us have been in lockdown for about six weeks. The objective was to flatten the curve and reduce the total number of victims of COVID-19. Well, the curve has been flattened indeed, but how is it six-weeks later there are 25,375 new cases in a single day?"

Glad that you asked that question Barnacle. As a non-medical person, this is what I think is going on.

“Flattening the curve” was a milestone in the fight against the spread of SARS-CoV-2, not the finish line. As you have indicated, flattening the curve was intended to lower the maximum number of people who needed medical services at the same time so that limited capacity medical services wouldn’t have to refuse anybody.

Here is an excellent simple animated graph that shows what I think you meant.

Note that the area under the graph represents the total number of victims that get infected over time, that number basically constant if I remember correctly, even though the graph gets flatter and flatter.

H O W E V E R…

As you can see from the graph, the cost of flattening the curve to insure medical services means that the virus will take longer to go away. This is because contagious people are still running around, spreading the virus, which is why social distancing mandates are still in effect.

The good news is that as long as people continue to respect social distancing mandates, fewer and fewer people should be getting infected until nobody’s contagious anymore and the virus disappears.

Also, I hope that spring / summer heat makes SARS-CoV-2 go away like it makes the flu disappear.

As I have mentioned I’m non-medical. But consider taking vitamin D3.

Corrections, insights welcome.

Send "Orange Man Bad" federal and state government Democrats and RINOs home in November!

Supporting PDJT with a new patriot Congress and state government leaders that will promise to fully support his already excellent work for MAGA and stopping SARS-CoV-2 will effectively give fast-working Trump a third term in office imo.

[ProtectOurFreedom]

I think the common-sense approach is:

1. Below age 60 or 65 with no health problems — let ‘er rip!

2. Over age 60 or 65 and beset with high BP, diabetes, liver or kidney disease, etc., try to continue staying at home or limiting your exposure to groups of people. But it is your option and purely voluntary.

[Osage Orange]

I keep thinking all these posts are just posts.

[Swirl]

In northern Alabama where I live, very few people are wearing masks or gloves and are crowding into places like Lowes and Walmart. Meanwhile, Alabama, and other states like Tennessee, and Virginia are showing increasing numbers of infections with no flattening in the curves like the the U.S. and other states.

Also, I am noticing several extreme hot-spots for infections within certain rural counties. In Tennessee for example:
Steward County, TN 21% or 1/5 people have been infected
Trousdale County, TN 12% or 1 out of every 8 people
Union County, TN 6.8% or 1/15

In comparison NYC is 2.1% or 1/48.

[tallyhoe]

Just because you test positive doesn’t mean you are sick with the disease!

[stremba]

The pandemic is running its natural course. A bit over a week ago, there were routinely 30,000 or more daily cases. The most recent daily total represents a daily growth rate of just over 2%. The daily growth rate has been declining since mid March (around 3/19 was the peak), when it was over 45%. The rate of growth is the important factor. It has dropped and continues to do so.

If you remember, we had wild predictions early on because the number of new cases was doubling every 2-3 days. There were people who know just enough math to be dangerous predicting over 30 million total cases by now because of that growth rate. In reality this pandemic is following a logistic growth curve, not an exponential one. This resembles exponential growth early on, but the growth rate slows over time to a linear growth rate like we now see.

Unlike exponential growth, linear growth is much less concerning. Exponential growth is characterized by a constant doubling time. If we continue at 2% growth, for instance that would imply a doubling time of 35 days. On the other hand if we continue with 25,000 infections per day, the time to double once is 48 days. The next doubling would take 96 days. The time for each new doubling would be twice the previous one (192, 384, etc.) This is a huge difference: in 1 year at 2% exponential growth we’d have 1000x the number of cases we now have (obviously impossible since that would be 1.2 billion, or about 4x the population of the US). At 25000 cases per day we’d have about 10.3 million total cases. Since we seem to have gone from exponential to linear growth, that would be the indicator that it’s time to get back to work and reopen the country.

[Bellagio]

All nonsense. The numbers are baked/conflated. This virus strain is no more deadly than influenza and the regular flu season mortality.

The state quarantines, lock-downs, the wrecking-ball put to the economies of each state and the social distancing was a result of media peddling panic that fueled this alarmist scam.

Along with flawed/outrageous infection/mortality models used by both the CDC & WHO to declare a pandemic with more of the intentions to influence, or con, the world into wrecking it’s economy. The same idiots used these models to deliberately contrive “what-if” postulations for possible outcomes which called for 2-2.5 million COVID-19 deaths in the US alone a month ago! Since revised to be closer to 60k!

Wearing masks, 6-ft apart, staying at home and getting your food at a drive-up window WILL NOT stop COVID-19 from running its course whether its 6 weeks or 6 months. The results will be the same.

Why doesn’t government shut down car manufacturing until enough lives are saved! Shut down cigarette & alcohol manufacture, abortion clinics, have AOC outlaw the flu-season... police should rabidly enforce laws against murder and suicide, prohibit high risk activities/jobs and taking selfies on the edge of 300ft cliffs! Yeah, that’ll show the voters government cares. Yes, government must save our lives!

We are not children. Life is full of risks/death caused by choices/movement in a free society. We risk death every day from arbitrary contagion exposure to pathogens, from a myriad of diseases/pathogens/accidents, and from God to name a few. Hiding from a virus and imposing draconian government controls on social freedoms/movement won’t make it go away or keep you from the chance of eventually might kill you.

The motivation behind the propaganda driving the fears of COVID-19 is purely political and for power.

Time to get out from under the blanket, return to normalcy and move on from this 3.0 attempt to take out Trump in November.

[tallyhoe]

They are finding more Cov-19 dead bodies too! They say were not counted before.. Just like the missed votes in a close democratic state.. That were just found.

[Let's Roll]

You assume the numbers aren’t being inflated to keep things shut down.

That would be the first reason I would think of. Would also explain why most people don’t know anyone who has it.

[Yo-Yo]

The objective was to flatten the curve and reduce the total number of victims of COVID-19.

Your're half right. The objective was to flatten the curve so that hospitals didn't get overwhelmed by a huge number of cases all at once.

We will end up with about the same number of victims, just spread out over a longer period of time so the hospital case load remains manageable.

If the standard is to wait until there are no more COVID patients before we reopen our lives, we never will reopen.

[ConservativeMind]

Get over it, lady! We want more cases that don’t result in death. That is exactly why we need a lot more antibody testing.

A positive test is completely fine. A death is not. We already knew all the deaths, so why don’t you want to know about all the positives that were not known before?

[zeestephen]

Re: 25,375 new cases in a single day

The high rate of “new” infections is “caused” by the USA doing more testing than the rest of the world combined.

The USA has done 7.3 million tests.

We had 1.18 million positive tests.

The infection rate = 16%

Please keep in mind that most of those tests have been done on high risk individuals - persons with known exposure to the virus, persons who have recently traveled to highly infected countries or states, and persons who have obvious symptoms.

If we tested the whole country, the “real” COVID infection rate is probably close to 10% - which equals 33 million people.

The USA has 69,000 COVID deaths.

69,000 divided by 33 million = 0.002 = 0.2%

The Case Fatality Rate during an “average” USA influenza season is between 0.1% and 0.2%.

COVID-19 is a dangerous disease.

But - it is NOT more dangerous than influenza.

[Hoosier-Daddy]

It’s called bullshit