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This is a cold! Is Western Civilization going to collapse over this?
American Thinker ^ | 03/21/2020 | Mike Konrad

Posted on 03/21/2020 7:36:18 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: vladimir998

CDC Data from 2017. Number of American deaths from pneumonia. 49,157. Old people do die. My dad died from it two months ago.


21 posted on 03/21/2020 7:55:21 AM PDT by crusty old prospector
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To: KC_Lion
Interesting.😷😝😳🤷🏻‍♀️
22 posted on 03/21/2020 7:56:07 AM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege
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To: SeekAndFind
I think it's hard for Americans to realize how many peoples immune systems are not up to par. Lots of illness in this country, and lots of overweight people who have labored breathing and undiagnosed diabetes anyway....Throw in this virus and they're going to be gasping for air. One guy wrote he wasn't feeling quite well, nothing serious until he went up the staircase and at the top couldn't breath right. Later tested positive for the virus and other symptoms came on pretty quickly.
23 posted on 03/21/2020 7:56:33 AM PDT by caww
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To: RetiredScientist

Oh yes! Credentialism is going to save us all! The same agencies who conducted the Tuskegee Experiment, told us margarine is better than butter, invented the food pyramid and still fight low carb diets should be the Authoritah!

There’s also this Statin thing too, as well as the modern quaalude of SSRI.

So no. I don’t trust them. They are seeking control.


24 posted on 03/21/2020 7:59:08 AM PDT by noprogs (Do you really think elections matter?)
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To: SeekAndFind

No, just you bowtie types.


25 posted on 03/21/2020 7:59:51 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: Bonemaker

Interesting; thank you for sharing!

During the 1918 flu epidemic, Camp Merritt along the NJ Palisades (overlooking the Hudson River and NYC) was a major transit point for troops, and the sickness spread from there (killing nearly 600 soldiers at the camp itself).


26 posted on 03/21/2020 8:02:44 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: gibsonguy
well the Demrats are of course making this political, that's what they do at every turn 24/7. They love implying or outright saying Trumps not up for the job....because most don't want to spend their own states cash reserves to fight this as they're at the point of bankruptcy anyway.........and NY and California Gov’s. are screaming the loudest. Sunk their own state and now want to fill up their coffers anew with gov. handouts for this virus... that's how they play.
27 posted on 03/21/2020 8:03:06 AM PDT by caww
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To: polymuser

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/26/health/flu-deaths-2017—2018-cdc-bn/index.html


28 posted on 03/21/2020 8:04:50 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (If you don't recognize that as sarcasm you are dumber than a bag of hammers.)
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To: SeekAndFind

“This is a cold! Is Western Civilization going to collapse over this?”

No. People will rebel first.


29 posted on 03/21/2020 8:06:05 AM PDT by SaxxonWoods (Epstein pulled a Carradine, the bozo.)
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To: noprogs

24: - best post of thread.

Having a credential does not make one incapable of error.


30 posted on 03/21/2020 8:08:00 AM PDT by Fury
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To: noprogs

24: - best post of thread.

Having a credential does not make one incapable of error.


31 posted on 03/21/2020 8:08:01 AM PDT by Fury
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To: polymuser

RE: Source of that number? Thx.

This is what I found:

https://www.health.com/condition/cold-flu-sinus/how-many-people-die-of-the-flu-every-year

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So how do these numbers compare to flu deaths in previous years? So far, it looks like the 2019-2020 death toll won’t be as high as it was in the 2017-2018 season, when 61,000 deaths were linked to the virus. However, it could equal or surpass the 2018-2019 season’s 34,200 flu-related deaths.

Overall, the CDC estimates that 12,000 and 61,000 deaths annually since 2010 can be blamed on the flu. Globally, the World Health Organization (WHO) estimates that the flu kills 290,000 to 650,000 people per year.

The annual death rate depends on the specific strain of the virus that is dominant, how well the vaccine is working to protect against that strain, and how many people got vaccinated, says Dr. Adalja. The flu is harder to fight off for specific populations, such as infants and young children, the elderly, and people who are immunocompromised due to chronic illnesses such as HIV or cancer.


32 posted on 03/21/2020 8:08:18 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (look at Michigan, it will)
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To: SeekAndFind

First, its not a cold. Colds are rhinoviruses.

Second, its not the deaths that are killing the economy...its the extended sick times in ICU beds for the approx 10% of infected.

Third, this is more akin to the Spanish Flu...which was also a coronavirus and not really a flu.

Fourth, this is a lower respiratory disease. This is the kind of virus that causes you to cough and cough, and get no relief. You can cough hard enough to damage the lungs and bring up blood.

Fifth, the overwhelming of the healthcare systems is going to cause deaths in other areas. That is why it is critical to keep that curve coming down.

No, this is not the black death. Yes, this can be mild in most cases. There are good medical reasons to keep everyone distanced from each other.

Will it end the world? I am highly skeptical. It WILL make it suck for a while.


33 posted on 03/21/2020 8:08:36 AM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

One by one the Rat/Rino Governors are going for total shut downs. The DNC has sent out the word with instructions to stagger it. This brings huge Pressure on Trump. If he moderates at all and it spreads they will us it as a club. The Idiot Doctor gave them the cover with his shut the country down 4-6 weeks MINIMUM “advice”. F’n disaster any way you look at it.


34 posted on 03/21/2020 8:09:16 AM PDT by gibsonguy
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To: SeekAndFind
A 21-year-old youth soccer coach in Spain died Sunday from coronavirus while also battling leukemia.

I knew a guy in his early 20s who died of leukemia. No China Virus was involved.

35 posted on 03/21/2020 8:10:45 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (The Electoral College is the firewall protecting us from massive blue state vote fraud.)
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To: chiller

Most of the contagion in China was among families. I know we are not supposed to quote China...but some of the anecdotal information in the early days is coming to fruition here.

Having a genetic predisposition to this thing may have contributed.


36 posted on 03/21/2020 8:10:47 AM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: SeekAndFind

The only virus that we let bring us to our knees.


37 posted on 03/21/2020 8:11:09 AM PDT by From The Deer Stand
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To: SeekAndFind

A: No.

Therfore: Buy stocks as they are down, bottoming out and recovering.


38 posted on 03/21/2020 8:12:47 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Messaging to Snowflakes: They stole it from Bernie AGAIN!)
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To: SeekAndFind

I find more than 9 time out of 10, if you read an article completely about an under 50 person dying, you will get to the line about other complications.

But it’s what sells. And that’s what media does.

Always has been, always will.

OF COURSE there are exceptions.

I didn’t know we were a country ruled by exceptions now.

i’m down for a 6 week quarantine. I don’t want to see lots of old folks and already sick folks die.

But up to 18 months like some “experts” are talking? No way.


39 posted on 03/21/2020 8:13:43 AM PDT by dp0622 (Radicals, racists my curseoint fingers at me I'm a small town white boy Just tryin to make ends meet)
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To: SeekAndFind
This is NOT a cold, and anyone who makes such a stupid comment should do some more in depth thinking.

It's essentially an agent of viral pneumonia, and it most definitely can kill - and not just the elderly and those with medical conditions. If you can't oxygenate, you die. Plain and simple. Whether you have a mild case or not depends on whether or not you develop pneumonia, and what extent of pneumonia you develop. There are probably a number of factors that determine this, most of which we haven't yet identified.

All that said, I do believe that we are turning the corner on this virus - primarily because we are slowing its spread, and we have three mechanistically solid approaches for targeting it: 1. Agents to alter viral shedding from cells - primarily targeted to the unique mechanism of coronaviruses to leave cells via the golgi apparatus (this is how hydroxychloroquine can inhibit this virus). 2. Agents that target viral dependence on RNA-dependent RNA polymerase (e.g. remdesivir). 3. Vaccines, in testing.

40 posted on 03/21/2020 8:14:03 AM PDT by neverevergiveup
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