A Note on Coronavirus: Don't Panic

American Thinker.com ^ | January 26, 2020 | Mike Konrad

[Kaslin]

I am not suggesting that we not remain alert, nor am I suggesting that we cast caution to the winds, but this present coronavirus will probably be nowhere near as deadly as many Chicken Littles are predicting.

Why?

Because, quite often, it is not the virus itself, but the secondary infections that are so deadly.

The majority of deaths during the influenza pandemic of 1918–1919 were not caused by the influenza virus acting alone, report researchers from the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), part of the National Institutes of Health. Instead, most victims succumbed to bacterial pneumonia following influenza virus infection. The pneumonia was caused when bacteria that normally inhabit the nose and throat invaded the lungs along a pathway created when the virus destroyed the cells that line the bronchial tubes and lungs.

Did you catch that? It was bacteria, piggybacking on top of viral damage, that caused the fatalities.

However, unlike 1918, today, medicine has an arsenal of antibiotics available to fight such bacteria — antibiotics that were not available in 1918. And yes, some bacteria have developed resistance, but not all. In plain terms, medicine has a better fighting chance.

In many cases, a course of antibiotics and acetaminophen (Tylenol) to control the fever might prove sufficient. However, there will be worse cases.

The 1918 flu also caused a cytokine storm, where the body's immune system over-reacted.

[frank ballenger]

Antibiotics mentioned in article.

Many infections are antibiotic resistant. Many are hospital acquired infections.

And many of us have known of a few people at work or from relatives who had someone in the family who died from pneumonia and its complications, most but not all of them over 60. The ones who got past heart issues and lived that long. A lot of people now have diabetes, low kidney function, liver problems and other issues that put them at risk.

Saying we are better off than the World War I era plague nations is traded off against the fact the Chinese
victims can arrive on either US coast by plane and travel to any American city within a day.

Soon Chinese here will say I grew up in Wuhan-—er-—I mean, I mean Beijing.”

[discostu]

Sure we do. Just gotta look at recent panics. Swine flu, SARS. These things get out of China all the time. And they run into good hygiene and good medicine and peter right out.

[PIF]

Just wait until it hits the Homeless Populations in our Big Cities.

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Oh! that’s a problem solver. San Fran could be a beautiful city again - silver lining in every cloud and all that.

[Leaning Right]

> Just wait until it hits the Homeless Populations in our Big Cities. <

I had that same scary thought. The Democrat leaders in those cities actively encourage vagrant behavior. That’s going to cause horrific problems eventually. And maybe sooner than later.

[zek157]

Cool! Like Spanish flu, the virus doesn’t kill.

It’s the cytokines “storm” that causes the damage. And would require time in a hospital bed on a respirator for recovery. Feeling much better now. As there are about low 100k beds and respirators available in the US on any given day. More patients than that will have limited options. Transition to caregivers is another issue.

Nothing to see, move along.

[RummyChick]

Hand washing. Sanitizers. Sometimes masks if there is a big outbreak.

Liposomal C if I start to get sick. Manuka Honey. Thieves Oil. Diluted Hyrodgen peroxide in ears. Occasionally A product called Nozin that probably doesn’t work that is in my leftover stash.. I dont think they sell it in stores anymore. Garlic

Sometimes vaseline in the nose.

Cold rinseoffs even in winter.

I do all kinds of things..most probably don’t work. But I rarely get sick.

I had one bout with what I believe was a cytokine storm which is how I started all of this...something I did saved me..or maybe just God.

[ProtectOurFreedom]

A year ago, I got a cold. I almost always get bronchitis a week after recovering from the cold. This time the bronchitis got worse and worse and worse, something that’s never happened before. Three trips to Urgent Care, two trips to the ER. On my first trip to Urgent Care, the doc said that bronchitis, on average, takes 12 weeks to get over.

Three different rounds of increasingly stronger antibiotics plus Prednisone and Prednisolone all had almost no effect. It seemed to be turning into pneumonia even though I’ve had the pneumonia vaccinations. One night it got so bad I was almost constantly gurgling on inhalation and exhalation and I was thinking “So this is how it ends.”

Then, on the 13th week, it passed almost as quickly as it started.

I’ve never had such a brush with respiratory problems as that and it was truly frightening.

As you say, as good as Modern Medicine it, we do have to be realistic about its limitations. There aren’t diagnostic tests for everything and it’s often far cheaper, faster, and more pragmatic to just keep trying different cocktails of drugs rather than run diagnostic tests. But when the disease doesn’t respond to any of the treatments, it gets very scary.

“take precautions” — I’ve stepped up my hand washing with hot water and try a lot harder to not touch my face, eyes, ears, nose, and mouth.

[PIF]

Only 12% of victims so far are seniors.

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Oh more good news.

[PIF]

Sorry for your loss.

[lee martell]

Lol!

[null and void]

Didn't stop my healthy young teenager in the family from succumbing to what I presume was the cytokine storm in less than 48 hours of being told she had the flu.

I'm sorry.

Here's what I was able to cobble together from available sources as a possible treatment/preventive for a cytokine storm during the SARS scare:

From what I understand, the Spanish Flu (and by extension the new A-H1N1 variant) kills by provoking an immune system hyper-response, sometimes called the “Cytokine Storm” which severely damages the lungs and causes Acute Respiratory Distress (ARD) resulting in oxygen deprivation to the internal organs.

Here is an over the counter (OTC) formula that inhibits some of the major inflammatory mediators, and is now being suggested as a way to stave off ARD. All four factors must be included.

1a) A prescription ACE-2 inhibitor anti-hypertension drug. (Note: Healthy folks w/normal BP would experience a crash in BP, fainting, et al. Those already on other types of BP lowering meds would experience the same.)
-or-
1b) If unavailable, 15,000 IU of Vitamin D* (Note: 15,000 IU is a huge dose of Vitamin D, a fat soluble vitamin. This means excess Vitamin D is stored in the liver, rather being excreted. The half life of Vitamin D is roughly three weeks, and Vitamin D toxicity can cause serious problems)

2) Histamine-1 blocker. Benedryl or the equivalent.

3) Histamine-2 blocker. Tagamet or the equivalent (normally used to block acid reflux.)

4) Ibuprofen. Advil or the equivalent, a prostaglandin blocker.

In addition, it is also recommended to maintain just the MDAR of Vitamin A. Being short of Vitamin A is associated with having an excess of a very powerful inflammatory mediator called TNF-1. But it is easy to take too much Vitamin A, which is toxic. High doses of the provitamin Beta-carotene, which the body converts to Vitamin A, might work as well as straight Vitamin A, and are much less toxic.

Care should be taken to avoid “health foods” that can artificially enhance the immune system, something to be avoided when there is the prospect of ARD.

This was extracted from an earlier thread I've lost track of, with some comments on Vitamin D from NautiNurse, and on ACE-2 inhibitors from reformedliberal added, and a flat out guess on Beta Carotene from me...

I'm not a doctor, and I don't play one on TV, nor did I stay at Holiday Inn last night. Despite that, I bought Benedryl and Tagamet yesterday and will buy Beta-carotene today.

Take that for what it's worth.

[cloudmountain]

Just wait until it hits the Homeless Populations in our Big Cities.

Lol. I think that the "Homeless Populations" are some of the sturdiest folks around. They are survivors. They know how to be jobless but feed themselves. They know how to be homeless but find a dry place to crash.

I walked past a homeless guy and he was just getting something someone bought for him. I SAW him open his wallet and pull out a twenty dollar bill.
He's a nice, quiet drunk who is where he is by his choice.

If you notice USUALLY the homeless are not women and/or children. They DO get preferential treatment in most cities.

[RummyChick]

I was so bad I even resorted to onions on the feet folklore.

Now, I get out my box and go to town at the first sign of any illness or if I have been around people I know to be ill.

I make my own Thieves Oil because I am super frugal.

But the worst pain I have ever had in my life with Diverticultis didn’t get much help from my home made Thieves oil. LOL

[Future Snake Eater]

I take the precautions and I take it seriously.

What precautions do you recommend?

[Leaning Right]

> Hand washing. Sanitizers. Sometimes masks if there is a big outbreak. <

Good advice. To which I’d add: When you’re out in public, NEVER touch your face. Don’t scratch your nose. Don’t rub your eyes. Don’t rub your mouth.

And then as RC said, wash your hands throughly when you get home.

[goodnesswins]

I use Vitamin C instead of Benadryl. .anyone under care in a hospital shold likely be getting Vitamin C IV’s

[johnthebaptistmoore]

I liked the, “Do Not Panic!” warning on The Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy book/tv series. The End result for the Earth happened, anyways.

[RummyChick]

Interestingly, coronovirus is mentioned

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3294426/

Although the concept certainly predates the coining of the term, the first use of “cytokine storm” appears to be in an article published in 1993 on graft-versus-host disease (47). The use of the term in infectious disease research began in early 2000 in reports on cytomegalovirus (6), Epstein-Barr virus-associated hemophagocytic lymphohistiocytosis (70), group A streptococcus (15), influenza virus (154), variola virus (71), and severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus (SARS-CoV) (63). The term appears to have first been applied in the context of avian H5N1 influenza virus infection in 2005 (155), after which it began to appear more frequently in the scientific literature. Public interest in “bird flu” also brought the term cytokine storm into the popular media. A recent Google search for cytokine storm yielded 323,000 hits; over 170,000 were within the past year alone.

[PIF]

Add goggles for the eyes and do not remove the ear wax - both are apparently virus receptors

lots of raw garlic yum and zinc

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[CodeToad]

Secondary bacterial infections are most often the cause of problems with viral infections. It is why prophylactic antibiotics are used when viral infections cause significant inflammation and mucus buildup.

The common cold is often a Coronavirus. This mutation of this Coronavirus doesn’t change that by much.