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A second American civil war is nothing to look forward to
americanthinker.com ^ | 10/13/2019 | William Marbury

Posted on 10/13/2019 9:33:17 AM PDT by rktman

Similarly, today, it is surprising to hear with what composure, and how glibly, members of the public, and even politicians, talk of a second American civil war. Some conservatives assume that they, having more arms and more training and practice in using them, would quickly prevail over the soy-boy Left.

Proficiency with firearms will be no match for nuclear bombs, which Democrat Eric Swalwell has already suggested deploying domestically.

The Democrats are busy even now destroying the institutions of government, the institutions for the peaceful adjustment of differing interests. They are doing this through the Mueller witch hunt, bureaucratic and judicial sedition, and the illegitimate impeachment inquiry, and they are fomenting violence through their Antifa organization and their rhetoric.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: antifa; auntteefuh; banglist; bloodshed; camps; capitulation; democrats; genocide; shtf
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To: dp0622
You're making this harder than it is dp0622. Remember they hate us AND because of that hatred they'll work with us.

Progressives would love to have a country where they can turn "PC" beliefs - into PC LAWS. Today if certain words are used - or not used - a person can lose their job or be shunned by 'polite society'... That's all. In PUS (Progressive United States) if a citizen says, "I believe in two genders and only two"... they can be arrested and sentenced to death. Or their families sentenced with them... some hellholes have been known to go that far...why not PUS?

In our country (CUS Conservative United States) we won't have 'speech rules' or 'thought crimes' or anything like that... it'll be 'first amendment' all the way - for everyone...

Now tell me, wouldn't progressives love to live in a country where they can control the speech of citizens?

Why fight when everyone can get their way? Duel citizenship will be the norm for 'mixed families' (conservative and liberal unions) for the first 20 years... But CITIZENS of each country will only have the right to vote in their own country's elections.

People choose which country they want to live in...

Progressives can have one long country-wide 'gun free zone'. Only criminals and government will have guns in their country. Now wouldn't that make them happy? They can disarm ALL their citizens and outlaw the NRA FOREVER... Citizens aren't allowed to own guns in North Korea or Cuba... why should they be able to own them in PUS (Progressive United States)

Remember, they want us out. They see us as 'deplorable'... Progressives will work with us to make this happen. As soon as they sign the agreement, Trump is NO LONGER their President.

The secret trials going on in the House will end for our side - and become the way 'law' is done on their side. We'll have due process and the right to open trials - they'll have stuff right out of Kafka... THEY GET IT ALL... EVERYTHING THEY'VE EVER WANTED... AND WE DO TOO

Adam Schiff and Ed Buck can be the first President and Vice President of PUS...

121 posted on 10/13/2019 12:20:20 PM PDT by GOPJ (Change the name from "Deep State" to 'Corrupt Mindless Bureaucracies'.... it's more accurate.)
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To: ImpBill
Not at all, it's an excellent question. The vast majority of people involved in these sorts of scenarios aren't fighting, they're merely trying to survive. Would you walk out onto a street knowing that there were snipers waiting? Of course not. Would you if someone you love would die without medicine that you're out of? Not so easy. Do you have a plan if that happens? Have you written it down?

The sort of civil war I'm envisioning here doesn't necessarily involve armed units blazing away at one another, it's more like Bosnia or Beirut where the war comes to you one or two psychos at a time and Lord knows there's plenty of those. Collective defense may mean nothing more than a watch on the block and some sort of alarm system - better arranged before events take you but even if you have to do it ad hoc it's better at least to have a plan. Could you barricade a couple of streets with vehicles so that you can control access to your neighborhood? If you have to do that you don't want to have to figure it out on the fly.

Know your neighbors and at least guess at who has critical knowledge and skills. A guy with a welding torch is a good guy to know, and so is a retired nurse or a carpenter with a garage full of tools. I'm talking about neighborhood defense because for most people that's their best alternative given that some of these scenarios last for months or even years, and nobody sane wants to be a refugee under those circumstances. You have to live somewhere.

None of this has anything to do with forming a guerrilla army or close order drill. It's just how real people have responded to real circumstances and live to tell about it. All my $0.02 and I'd be very grateful for correction.

122 posted on 10/13/2019 12:21:10 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Leaning Right

In only a few days huge numbers of people arrived at the Bundy ranch. The highway was packed solid in both directions.


123 posted on 10/13/2019 12:26:06 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: Leaning Right

An aftermath of Appomattox is the effective loss of state sovereignty. Yet another is the effect of freeing the slaves. As soon as the Republicans tired of supporting black civil rights, as a result of settling the election of 1876, Southern whites took out their anger on the blacks. By 1900, most blacks were disenfranchised, segregated, and subject to legal discrimination as well as extrajudicial vengeance on the part of white mobs. Generations of second class citizenship and white attitudes ranging from condescension at best to rage at worst alienated blacks even more than slavery did. They became a permanently discontented group, who now control numerous cities, from Baltimore to Oakland.


124 posted on 10/13/2019 12:26:35 PM PDT by Wallace T.
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To: ExGeeEye

Let’s see. The U.S. had 250,000 troops in and around Baghdad, with all the roads blanketed, and couldn’t control that city of 5 million people. The U.S
could not subdue the Southern and Midwestern states, and would not use nukes for several common sense reasons


125 posted on 10/13/2019 12:27:00 PM PDT by Nabber
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To: central_va

Who’s in charge of the troops overseas?

The world still goes on even if we have a civil war.

Who’d be in charge of an overseas war?


126 posted on 10/13/2019 12:30:27 PM PDT by dp0622 (Bad, bad company Till the day I die.)
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To: GOPJ
No need for a civil war

I remember when people said that in the 1850's. There were even reasonable proposals to buy all the slaves so as to free them. It would have been wayyyy cheaper! Wonder why they didn't do that?

127 posted on 10/13/2019 12:33:38 PM PDT by BDParrish ( Please correct me! I never learned anything from anybody who already agreed with me.)
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To: rktman; 100American; 3D-JOY; abner; Abundy; AGreatPer; Albion Wilde; AliVeritas; alisasny; ...

Well, the author appears to agree with me: the Democrat party is currently America’s largest hate group.

In addition to thumping them at the ballot box, all their crooks need to be investigated, tried on legitimate charges that may result, and on all actual convictions by jury, the maximum penalties imposed, up to and including executions.


128 posted on 10/13/2019 12:34:02 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Show me the people who own the land, the guns and the money, and I'll show you the people in charge.)
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To: VanDeKoik

My Dad told me about some of the awful results of those battles when taking me with him to the battlefields, such as the men screaming their heads off while their wounded limbs were being amputated by saws sans anesthetic. Then the limbs were tossed out the windows onto the ground below. Dad actually took me into one of the houses — a tourism site at Manassas Battlefield — where these gruesome surgeries were performed.


129 posted on 10/13/2019 12:36:23 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Show me the people who own the land, the guns and the money, and I'll show you the people in charge.)
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To: CodeToad
Japan was a great example. They didn’t leave WWII our enemy. Things are good today. Not great, but good. They are not a risk to us.

Yes, and we're not a risk to them either...

The 'magic' used after World War II was to give them a 'Constitution' they had to live under. We didn't say, "we won - - now go back to your old ways..." like we've done in the Middle East. Nope, we're all "PC" now - all cultures are equal, right?

Now we Never Win... and we Never Lose, and the war machine rakes off profits and it's members 'give speeches' to rich Arabs for $400,000 a pop. Washington's a 'company town' and one of the main industries is war... endless war...

130 posted on 10/13/2019 12:36:40 PM PDT by GOPJ (Elizabeth Warren Is Jussie Smollett - - Kevin D. Williamson)
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To: unixfox

Yet they have been arming themselves at rates unseen. I noticed it in 2015.. confirmed by a freeper w a gun shop.
They have been planning something abd we haven’t even got pieces on the chessboard.


131 posted on 10/13/2019 12:38:41 PM PDT by momincombatboots (Ephesians 6... who you are really at war with)
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To: dp0622
The size of the Army is around 800,000 with 9 ( I said nine ) active duty infantry divisions. The rest are REMFS.

In a general insurrection, secession and or sectional strife and full mobilization of militias, state armies etc. they ( the standing army )would be dwarfed.

132 posted on 10/13/2019 12:43:06 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: GOPJ
NO NEED FOR A CIVIL WAR - SPLIT THE COUNTRY PEACEFULLY.

They can have New England and New York. We have all the rest. Build that wall high with lots of mini-guns so any progressive will be mowed down on sight if they are within 50 yards of the wall.

Canada and Mexico will be a problem but we can work something out.

133 posted on 10/13/2019 12:45:48 PM PDT by Boomer (Our melting pot has turned into a pressure cooker)
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To: OpusatFR

How will the U.S. keep going the way it is? The spiral is happening. How will my sons ever be seen as normal because they are white, male and Christian? The way it is going now they will be treated as criminals unless there is some change that happens. Without a cleansing of some sort how will there ever be peace?


134 posted on 10/13/2019 12:48:14 PM PDT by raybbr (The left is a poison on society. There is no antidote. Running its course will be painful. You)
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To: rktman

War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.

John Stuart Mill


135 posted on 10/13/2019 12:51:05 PM PDT by TopDog2 (Onward Christian soldiers)
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To: raybbr

There is nothing quit as nauseating as Free Republic peaceniks.


136 posted on 10/13/2019 12:56:09 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: BDParrish
Lincoln wanted to preserve the Union. The two sides had different takes on one issue - slavery. Lincoln saw slavery as a great moral wrong that would destroy the country - - a moral issue worth fighting for... Lincoln was right. The country 'could not continue to exist, half-slave and half free.'

That's not the case today.

Today we have a thousand differences that go to the core of who we are... a ‘hot war’ would be insane. It's be like dying over which ice cream flavor was best - chocolate or strawberry...

Totalitarians and free people can't compromise. It's not possible.

The best choice is to peacefully divide the country. Pass a 'divide the country' amendment and let each legislature in every state vote on it...

137 posted on 10/13/2019 12:57:37 PM PDT by GOPJ (Elizabeth Warren Is Jussie Smollett - - Kevin D. Williamson)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

In 3 days, most grocery stores and pharmacies will be looted, empty and no resupply available. That’s already happened in the mid west during a blizzard about 10 years ago.


138 posted on 10/13/2019 12:57:47 PM PDT by antidemoncrat
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
wounded limbs were being amputated by saws sans anesthetic.

Kind of a myth. Neither side ran out of ether except in the rarest of cases, mostly in the western theater. Same with morphine, the south had imported plenty of the stuff. . Even the South had a lot of both on hand in the last days.

139 posted on 10/13/2019 12:59:37 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: ImpBill
I mean we all or most have guns, but using them in an organized fashion means training; lots of training.

Seek out your local Militia. If you don't have one, form one.

140 posted on 10/13/2019 1:00:33 PM PDT by BlackbirdSST (Is it time Claire?)
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