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Are America and the West collapsing? New study finds startling similarities to past civilizations
The National Sentinel ^ | 2/25/19 | Jon Dougherty

Posted on 02/25/2019 8:33:40 AM PST by SleeperCatcher

Full headline: Are America and the West headed toward collapse? New study finds startling similarities to fall of past civilizations

Predictions of America’s doom and gloom ahead are nothing new, as it’s always easier for us to see the glass as half-empty rather than half-full. So it’s not surprising that a new study has made a similar ‘prediction.’

But unlike many past analyses, a new look at an old study by historian Arnold Toynbee in his 12-volume magnum opus “A Study of History” examined his findings and identified key elements within each past great civilization that explained why they collapsed.

In short, past great civilizations like the Roman Empire didn’t “die” so much as they ‘committed suicide, the BBC reports.

Toynbee “was right in some respects: Civilizations are often responsible for their own decline. However, their self-destruction is usually assisted,” wrote the BBC‘s Luke Kemp.

(Excerpt) Read more at thenationalsentinel.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: arnoldtoynbee; collapse; deathofthewest; kma; ntsa; romanempire; unitedstates; westerncivilization
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To: Jeff Chandler

No kidding!! The kids in Public School are being taught that crap!! And the parents do NOTHING!


41 posted on 02/25/2019 9:05:19 AM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion....... The HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Nothingburger; FrankR

There are many on this site and in America, who feel that we have been doomed forever and believe in the Doom and Gloom.


42 posted on 02/25/2019 9:06:31 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Stop Medieval Diseases With A Medieval Wall: Illegal migration is leading to a wave of outbreaks!!!!)
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To: SleeperCatcher
Stable and thriving civilizations succumb when they open their gates to barbarians and barbaric ideas.

When the invaders are welcomed at the gates and citizens accept the most outlandish barbaric ideas from the invaders AND their own people a civilization can't survive.

We can see this in western nations.

Millions of illegals with foreign ideas and the native population believing and accepting ideas like transgender men are real women.

This is a civilization in decay.

43 posted on 02/25/2019 9:06:41 AM PST by yesthatjallen
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To: chud

Nope that site requires me to let them take over my computer.


44 posted on 02/25/2019 9:08:14 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Stop Medieval Diseases With A Medieval Wall: Illegal migration is leading to a wave of outbreaks!!!!)
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To: Nothingburger

I live on the border and this is true!! The border was shut down yesterday for hours to keep 3,500 illegals from dashing through the bridges...a friend of ours got caught on the side visiting friends and couldn’t crossover to US!!! The freakin mediaVOMITS ARE NOT REPORTING what is going on on the border!! A border patrol friend of ours told us that there is another caravan forming that’s more dangerous than the past caravans.. he said it comes from the Congo...does Ebola ring a bell? this group is comprised of extreme violent war loads.. I think he called them MS 16 or something like that..MUCH worse then MS 13! Let that sink in!!


45 posted on 02/25/2019 9:08:30 AM PST by RoseofTexas
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To: Mears

bfl


46 posted on 02/25/2019 9:08:54 AM PST by Mears
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To: Ann Archy
And the parents do NOTHING!

Most parents go right along with whatever lunatic notion the radical left excretes. The entire notion of scrutinizing societal changes is foreign to most people. They run on auto-pilot.

47 posted on 02/25/2019 9:09:40 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (Every time a lefty cries "racism", a Trump voter gets his wings.)
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To: SleeperCatcher

Another similarity was that after Rome’s had sacked everything of value in the world, the imperial family started selling Roman citizenship.

Does anyone else find this similar to our current situation?


48 posted on 02/25/2019 9:10:30 AM PST by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton (Go Egypt on 0bama)
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To: RoseofTexas

Yes, Christ will return this time as the Lion... and not the Lamb... I dare say, in my children’s life time this my happen... the birth pangs are here....


49 posted on 02/25/2019 9:11:14 AM PST by PigRigger (Satire is near impossible now. Liberals donÂ’t understand it and for conservatives it is reality.)
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To: SleeperCatcher

Heading toward collapse only for the liberals why else would hear so much whining and screaming.


50 posted on 02/25/2019 9:11:57 AM PST by Vaduz (women and children to be impacIQ of chimpsted the most.)
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To: All

The collapse of Rome (and the Ottoman Empire, and the British Empire) was primarily caused by the same factors that have brought down every great civilization (caveat: obviously this does not include those that were conquered by a more powerful invader):

1. Accumulation of wealth that led the descendants of the original people who created the empire to become lazy and slothful and weakened their work ethic;

2. Corresponding growth of unchecked bureaucracy and taxes that further weakened the incentive to work;

3. The “off-shoring” of more and more of the soldiery and workforce to foreign “barbarians” who were not invested culturally into the original nation and who therefore slowly assumed more power, weakening the cultural ties that held it together;

In Rome’s case, that allowed the barbarians to “kick in the door” of the rotting corpse that was once the Great Roman Empire ... currently a similar scenario is occuring in Western Europe, with the Mohammedan barbarians filling the “outsider” role, having been foolishly invited in by a weak, morally corrupt and soft Western Europe ...

... the USA is more resilient, but I fear that a thousand years hence the presidency of Trump will be seen as a temporary “rear guard” action that forestalled, for a time, the advancement of the inevitable cycle ...

... the capacity of the human race for repeatedly entertaining foolish doctrines (like socialism and Marxism) even after they have demonstrably been miserable failures, and the inability of generations to learn from the history means that the cycle explained above is inevitable in every epoch ...


51 posted on 02/25/2019 9:12:46 AM PST by Simon Foxx
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To: cuban leaf; BTerclinger
The thing that puzzles a lot of analysts is how they’ve been able to kick the can down the road so much farther than many thought possible.

The analysts are puzzled because America is no normal nation. The correct historical pattern is located in the Scroll of Esther.

MAGA: it's the dream written across the forehead that IDs We the People as targets of hate. Everybody knows that Joseph was hated for his dreams.

Most everyone is walking around in thick darkness.

The Establishent has already expired, 70 years to the day.

Purim x 10,000. Buy American flags now to beat the rush.

GREAT is the Day of Jezreel.

52 posted on 02/25/2019 9:13:09 AM PST by Ezekiel (The pun is mightier than the s-word.)
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To: PigRigger
Yes, Christ will return this time as the Lion...

I think he will return as Charles Bronson.

53 posted on 02/25/2019 9:15:10 AM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Jeff Chandler; SleeperCatcher; ealgeone

“When a society become confused about basic reality such as the binary nature of sex, it is a sign of serious decay.”

Kipling nailed it in this poem... Reality will sooner than later get its revenge, and it won’t be pretty.

http://www.kiplingsociety.co.uk/poems_copybook.htm


54 posted on 02/25/2019 9:15:10 AM PST by aquila48
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To: SleeperCatcher

Is any car driving down a road aimed to go off the road? Yes, they all are, but there is a driver who continually adjusts the steering wheel so the car stays on the road.


55 posted on 02/25/2019 9:16:22 AM PST by cymbeline
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To: Jeff Chandler

LAZY ASS PARENTS.....more into FACEBOOK and their PHONES than into what is going on in the ROTTEN SCHOOLS!


56 posted on 02/25/2019 9:17:31 AM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion....... The HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: FrankR
I’m 74. I’ve been seeing similar “studies” since I was 21...someone is always chasing that angle...a “gloom & doomer” (democrat).

Ok, oldtimer, how about a current macro perspective:
Have you ever seen a President that has made sense to so many everyday folks that is so disliked by both parties? Disliked by some very intensely, perhaps irrationally? And, if not entirely disliked by his own party, just not supported by many?

Is that not a major indicator of change on the horizon, or is it merely "chasing an angle"? (And I am in your age group.)

57 posted on 02/25/2019 9:24:39 AM PST by frog in a pot (Result of many state bailouts? Taxpayers elsewhere in America get to finance the Left's growth.)
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To: Zathras
They are running out of other peoples money.

Not by a long shot. There is tremendous wealth to be pilfered in our 401k's.

58 posted on 02/25/2019 9:24:48 AM PST by afterhoursarmory
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To: Grampa Dave

I manged to get around that. Let me help ya out. A whole lot of “if” “maybe” “could”...etc. Its just talking about the possibility of a flu outbreak.


59 posted on 02/25/2019 9:43:58 AM PST by afterhoursarmory
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To: SleeperCatcher

We need a “study” to ANALyse what anyone with reasonable critical thinking skills and the sense to keep informed can figure out?

The key element to this is not “will” it collapse, but “when” will it collapse.

The central banks money printing has kept the economic aspects afloat longer than many have believed possible.

The variables of mass migration of Muslims and 3rd world detritus, driver licenses and home mortgages for illegal aliens along with things like social constructs of 54 genders are pretty clear signs that a massive collapse or reset is going to happen. When is the key.


60 posted on 02/25/2019 9:47:28 AM PST by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60's....You weren't really there)
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