Posted on 10/13/2018 9:59:56 PM PDT by bitt
A story broke last week that an Arabic journalist named Jamal Khashoggi who was working for the Washington Post had disappeared and was presumed dead. The official story is that Khashoggi was last seen entering the Saudi consulate in Istanbul, Turkey, on the afternoon of October 2.
Immediately (and suspiciously) media stories that appeared to be coordinated appeared, pointing the finger of blame for Khashoggi’s disappearance at Saudi Arabia, in general, and at the country’s Crown Prince, Mohammad Bin Salman, in particular. It was alleged by anonymous sources for several days that Khashoggi had been abducted and then killed at the express order of Bin Salman, for being a troublesome journalist who was causing problems for the Saudi royal family with the stories he was pursuing. Detailed stories relating how the abduction/killing supposedly happened filled the news media.
(Excerpt) Read more at theepochtimes.com ...
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Shaggy Dog story... setting up Steven Hatfill
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1942196/posts
Just watched that again - one of the all-time great movies. “Clemenza” was a ‘connected’ guy in real life.
Speaking of Klaidman…
Klaidman’s also the reporter to whom Gen. Cartwright confirmed info about Stuxnet [that was used against Iran and which also infected the Russian space program, etc.]
“Cartwright also in 2012 confirmed classified information about an unnamed country to Daniel Klaidman, then a reporter for Newsweek, according to his plea agreement.”
-——http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3481670/posts
Which brings me to this weird snippet :
(7) #AboutStrzok #DevinStrzok is actually Devin Cartwright Strzok . His grandfather, General James Cartwright , was pardoned by Barrack Obama on his last day of office. Cartwright was accused of leaking info on #stuxnet .
————http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3626576/posts
Seikaly worked on the Lockerbie investigation in the 80s; from 1998 to 2001 he was (officially) CIA.
There was nothing inadvertent about the rise of political Islamicism being a product of Arab spring. The goal of launching Arab Spring was to put Muslim Brotherhood groups in control from Libya to the KSA. The ostensible idea was a pseudo-Califate could be assembled which would calm the Sunni masses down and stabilize the Near East after getting rid of all the ‘heretical sects and regimes’. Then the US and the Caliphate could squeeze Israel into a two state solution with pre-1967 borders and a guarantee to work for ‘resettlement of displace Paliwogs ‘ back in Israel. For a man whose law school was paid for by a leading Islamacist Saudi prince and a CIA director who is either a Wahhabi fellow traveler or a cryto-Muslim it all fit perfectly.
I cannot vouch for the material on Cartwright and Strzok… I don’t trust the source...just saw it.
#6. Right. Isikoff has co-written articles with Philip Agee’s old buddy in England, Mark Hosenball. Look him up and you will see why a big “HUH” should be raised about both of them.
Thanks bitt. I'd be very surprised if this latest fiasco by Erdogan hasn't been set up and encouraged by his "allies", Russia and Iran, if it wasn't just a false flag op by Erdogan himself. No one has any excuse to defend the story of the world's only Apple Watch that can used BlueTooth to reach another building in another part of the same city. Ridiculous. But I'm sure there are those who will hitch their wagons to that falling star.
THIS is the guy the Brown Shirt Media would have us stop the world for? Sorry, this stinks to high heaven. The only thing we know is his girl friend didn’t go in.
Possibly another “The facts don’t matter, it’s the seriousness of the charge”....
Even Walid Phares says he is confused about this event and story, so I don’t feel too bad that I don’t understand much of it.
Someone — Phares, I think — did say the missing guy is pro Muslim Brotherhood and anti America. If so, if he’s burning in hell with his 27 virgins, I don’t see the problem here. Interesting mystery maybe, but not a problem except that they’re probably screwing with Trump ahead of 11/6.
The fewer Muslims working for U.S. Media the bvetter.
See the EpochTimes story for the Isakoff connection.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3696421/posts
The story claims the Khashoggi disappearance was captured by his smart watch.
Did someone hack the smart watch?
You are 100% correct in this history, which few know, so I repeated it below! Khashoggi was working hard at the WAPO to join Liberal fascism and Islamo-fascism together in America. If the Saudi’s offed him, kudos to them.
I noticed that President Trump was not too concerned about the disappearance, one less fascist propagandist at WAPO didn’t seem to faze President Trump much, it made me laugh.
For the liberal fascist press, to lose one of their own to Saudi harbingers of protective truth and liberty in America
is a travesty? ERrr..... NO!
The way the MSM has conducted itself since 2015, I could care less if they took all of these imitations of Joseph Goebbels, gathered them in a huge hanger in Syria and mistakenly dropped a MOAB on them all, it would be doing America a favor.
Why sweat the disaappearance of Khashoggi? Perhaps the president cannot celebrate it but nothing is stopping the public from doing so.
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“There was nothing inadvertent about the rise of political Islamicism being a product of Arab spring. The goal of launching Arab Spring was to put Muslim Brotherhood groups in control from Libya to the KSA. The ostensible idea was a pseudo-Califate could be assembled which would calm the Sunni masses down and stabilize the Near East after getting rid of all the ‘heretical sects and regimes’. Then the US and the Caliphate could squeeze Israel into a two state solution with pre-1967 borders and a guarantee to work for ‘resettlement of displace Paliwogs ‘ back in Israel. For a man whose law school was paid for by a leading Islamacist Saudi prince and a CIA director who is either a Wahhabi fellow traveler or a cryto-Muslim it all fit perfectly.”
Everyone needs to take a breath on the sp-called killing of journalist Khashoggi in Turkey at the Saudi Cconsulate and let the facts come out. Turkey has stated they recovered the audio from Khashoggi IPhone and iCloud account. He had given his IPhone to his fiancée before entering the consulate. Turkey claimed that Saudi officials tried to delete the recording on the watch by incorrectly guessing the PIN and then using his finger.
Apple watches do not have finger print ID unlock function. Turkey did not address this in the report. Apple watches can record audio and can sync that to an IPhone if close by. They did not explain how the apple watch synced this with both the IPhone and his iCloud. Turkish officials have not answered questions from the Associated Press about the Apple watch. Turkey claims they have a video of the killing. Put it out there for examination. The Saudi’s are not so stupid that they would allow Turkey to have cameras in the consulate.
If true this is bad and something would need to be done about it. Keep in mind the Saudi’s are the ones fighting Iran in the Middle East with our help. Call this a proxy war if you like. How many people will die if there is no check on Iran? Could this cause us to end up sending American troops to do the fighting? America better look at the long game here for the Middle East. Keep in mind that Turkey and Saudi Arabia don’t like each other, and this has been true for decades. Turkey was the hated colonial power over the Saudis for centuries during which time the Ottomans claimed and controlled the Islamic holy sites, including Mecca. Turkey and Iran would love to see America throw Saudi Arabia under the bus over this.
( I think that the USA should be very hesitant to involve itself in this affair, or to punish the Saudis as some in the the Senate desire.)In getting rid of Khashoggi, the Saudis have benefited the USA by retiring one more operative who was attempting to institutionally join Liberal fascism and Islamo-fascism together within the borders of the USA.)
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“We are told he (Khashoggi)was a liberal, Saudi progressive voice fighting for freedom and democracy, and a martyr who paid the ultimate price for telling the truth to power. This is not just wrong, but distracts us from understanding what the incident tells us about the internal power dynamics of a kingdom going through an unprecedented period of upheaval. It is also the story of how one man got entangled in a Saudi ruling family that operates like the Mafia. Once you join, it’s for life, and if you try to leave, you become disposable.
In truth, Khashoggi never had much time for western-style pluralistic democracy. In the 1970s he joined the Muslim Brotherhood, which exists to rid the Islamic world of western influence. He was a political Islamist until the end, recently praising the Muslim Brotherhood in the Washington Post. He championed the ‘moderate’ Islamist opposition in Syria, whose crimes against humanity are a matter of record. Khashoggi frequently sugarcoated his Islamist beliefs with constant references to freedom and democracy. But he never hid that he was in favour of a Muslim Brotherhood arc throughout the Middle East. His recurring plea to bin Salman in his columns was to embrace not western-style democracy, but the rise of political Islam which the Arab Spring had inadvertently given rise to. For Khashoggi, secularism was the enemy.
He had been a journalist in the 1980s and 1990s, but then became more of a player than a spectator. Before working with a succession of Saudi princes, he edited Saudi newspapers. The exclusive remit a Saudi government–appointed newspaper editor has is to ensure nothing remotely resembling honest journalism makes it into the pages. Khashoggi put the money in the bank — making a handsome living was always his top priority. Actions, anyway, speak louder than words.
It was Yasin Aktay — a former MP for Turkey’s ruling Justice and Development party (AKP) — whom Khashoggi told his fiancée to call if he did not emerge from the consulate. The AKP is, in effect, the Turkish branch of the Muslim Brotherhood. His most trusted friend, then, was an adviser to President Erdogan, who is fast becoming known as the most vicious persecutor of journalists on earth. Khashoggi never meaningfully criticised Erdogan. So we ought not to see this as the assassination of a liberal reformer.
Khashoggi had this undeserved status in the West because of the publicity surrounding his sacking as editor of the Saudi daily Al Watan back in 2003. (I broke the news of his removal for Reuters. I’d worked alongside Khashoggi at the Saudi daily Arab News during the preceding years.) He was dismissed because he allowed a columnist to criticise an Islamist thinker considered to be the founding father of Wahhabism. Thus, overnight, Khashoggi became known as a liberal progressive.
The Muslim Brotherhood, though, has always been at odds with the Wahhabi movement. Khashoggi and his fellow travelers believe in imposing Islamic rule by engaging in the democratic process. The Wahhabis loathe democracy as a western invention. Instead, they choose to live life as it supposedly existed during the time of the Muslim prophet. In the final analysis, though, they are different means to achieving the same goal: Islamist theocracy. This matters because, although bin Salman has rejected Wahhabism — to the delight of the West — he continues to view the Muslim Brotherhood as the main threat most likely to derail his vision for a new Saudi Arabia. Most of the Islamic clerics in Saudi Arabia who have been imprisoned over the past two years — Khashoggi’s friends — have historic ties to the Muslim Brotherhood. Khashoggi had therefore emerged as a de facto leader of the Saudi branch. Due to his profile and influence, he was the biggest political threat to bin Salman’s rule outside of the royal family.
Worse, from the royals’ point of view, was that Khashoggi had dirt on Saudi links to al Qaeda before the 9/11 attacks. He had befriended Osama bin Laden in the 1980s and 1990s in Afghanistan and Sudan while championing his jihad against the Soviets in dispatches. At that same time, he was employed by the Saudi intelligence services to try to persuade bin Laden to make peace with the Saudi royal family. The result? Khashoggi was the only non-royal Saudi who had the beef on the royals’ intimate dealing with al Qaeda in the lead-up to the 9/11 attacks. That would have been crucial if he had escalated his campaign to undermine the crown prince.
Like the Saudi royals, Khashoggi dissociated himself from bin Laden after 9/11 (which Khashoggi and I watched unfold together in the Arab News office in Jeddah). But he then teamed up as an adviser to the Saudi ambassador to London and then Washington, Prince Turki Al Faisal. The latter had been Saudi intelligence chief from 1977 until just ten days before the 9/11 attacks, when he inexplicably resigned. Once again, by working alongside Prince Turki during the latter’s ambassadorial stints, as he had while reporting on bin Laden, Khashoggi mixed with British, US and Saudi intelligence officials. In short, he was uniquely able to acquire invaluable inside information.
The Saudis, too, may have worried that Khashoggi had become a US asset. In Washington in 2005, a senior Pentagon official told me of a ridiculous plan they had to take ‘the Saudi out of Arabia’ (as was the rage post-9/11). It involved establishing a council of selected Saudi figures in Mecca to govern the country under US auspices after the US took control of the oil. He named three Saudis the Pentagon team were in regular contact with regarding the project. One of them was Khashoggi. A fantasy, certainly, but it shows how highly he was regarded by those imagining a different Saudi Arabia.
Perhaps it was for this and other reasons — and working according to the dictum of keeping your enemies closer — that a few weeks ago, according to a friend of Khashoggi, bin Salman had made a traditional tribal offer of reconciliation — offering him a place as an adviser if he returned to the kingdom. Khashoggi had declined because of ‘moral and religious’ principles. And that may have been the fatal snub, not least because Khashoggi had earlier this year established a new political party in the US called Democracy for the Arab World Now, which would support Islamist gains in democratic elections throughout the region. Bin Salman’s nightmare of a Khashoggi-led Islamist political opposition was about to become a reality.
The West has been fawning over bin Salman. But how now to overlook what seems to be a brazen Mafia-style murder? ‘I don’t like hearing about it,’ Donald Trump said. ‘Nobody knows anything about it, but there’s some pretty bad stories going around. I do not like it.’ Well, there are plenty more stories where that came from, stories about a ruthless prince whose opponents have a habit of disappearing. The fate of Khashoggi is the latest sign of what’s really happening inside Saudi Arabia. For how much longer will our leaders look the other way?”
https://spectator.us/2018/10/jamal-khashoggi/
“This revelation of the name of one of the main sources these reporters had been using to push their anti-Mohammad Bin Salman/anti-Donald Trump narrative set off an immediate alarm for many investigative journalists who recognized it: Khaled Saffuri.
Patrick Poole, and Jordan Schachtel, two reporters who cover national security and terrorism-related issues [Poole for PJ Media, Schachtel for Conservative Review], quickly brought their readers up to speed on Saffuri’s extensive background. He has ties to both al-Qaeda and Hamas, and is a well known associate of Abdurahman Alamoudi, who is currently serving a 23-year sentence in federal prison in the United States, which was later reduced to 17 years after he cooperated by agreeing to testify in a trial.
Why was Alamoudi sentenced to federal prison in 2004, you ask? Because he was part of an extensive al-Qaeda/Libyan plot to assassinate then-Crown Prince Abdullah.”
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