Posted on 08/17/2018 8:40:24 AM PDT by wardaddy
Cardinal Raymond Burke has called for open recognition of the Catholic churchs homosexual culture in light of recent revelations of sexual abuse. I believe that there needs to be an open recognition that we have a very grave problem of a homosexual culture in the Church, Burke said in an interview Thursday, especially among the clergy and the hierarchy, that needs to be addressed honestly and efficaciously.
he former head of the churchs equivalent of the Supreme Court said it was already clear after the studies following the 2002 sexual abuse crisis that most of the acts of abuse were in fact homosexual acts committed with adolescent young men.
There was a studied attempt to either overlook or to deny this, he said, referring to the mainstream media cover-up of the homosexual nature of the abuse as well as such denial within the church itself.
(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...
Some books of the Bible are of Hebrew origin and predate Christ and His Church. The Holy Scripture as a whole is the product of the Catholic Church.
It is also true that the so-called Protestant Reformation removed some books and mangled some translations. That damage, of course, is not from the Church.
The teaching on the death penalty at all times is and was conssitent with the state of civil jurisprudence. When just and secure incarceration was not possible, the Church tolerated death penalty. Now she doesn't. (Wiki)
I will not enter a discussion on the Bible or the Death penalty beyond this, it is off-topic on the question of homosexual culture in the Church.
No, we are fine at all, -- have you read the article. It is written by a Catholic Cardinal.
I don't care what your hopes are; I have mine.
we are fine at all -> we are not fine at all
It is also true that the so-called Protestant Reformation removed some books
Actually that was the Council of Nicea which predates the Reformation by several hundred years.
Nice try, though.
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It is written by a Catholic Cardinal.
My copy of the Bible says nothing about Bishops or Cardinals.
I don’t care what your hopes are; I have mine.
Hold out your hands. Hope into one hand and take a wiz in the other. Tell me which one fills up first.
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LOL.
The First Council of Nicaea
Canon of the Old Testament
Canon of the New Testament
Avoid ignorance.
Actually, the New Testament has a lot to say about bishops. Your translation, probably, mistranslated the word επισκοπος. Like I said, avoid ignorance and read the Catholic Bible.
Whatever. The modern Catholic Church has been complicit in some of the most horrid violations of children. And it went on for decades with the full knowledge of high ranking church officials.
Prison and bankruptcy is too good for them.
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All that was off-topic. Sorry for responding. If you have further questions about the Bible, start another thread. I like to explain things.
On that, I actually agree: the child molesters, the rapists, and those in the hierarchy covering up for them should be jailed, and the Church should compensate the victims.
Further, all practicing homosexuals in the clergy should be defrocked.
Since their vatican citisneship transcends their amercan citisenship the criminal queer priests should be deported to their country, the vatican.
The Bishops et al are actuallly agents of a foreign governmant
This is a serious question:
Why on Earth would you want to be a member of an organization which says you must keep personal knowledge of hideous crimes against children a secret? How could you live with yourself?
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and the Church should compensate the victims.
A few hundred billion sounds about right to me.
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One other serious question:
Do you really believe that Jesus wants someone who has personal knowledge of hideous crimes against children to remain silent?
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Unless they conflict with God's laws.
They have no obligation to turn them in.
The obligation of the church is to police itself, and it is a deplorable thing and a dangerous precedent when the state needs to step in because the church has not effectively dealt with moral sinners (unlike doctrinal issues, which the state has no business in). Which means rebuke before the congregation for public sin after conviction at the mouth of 2 or 3 eye witnesses "that others may fear. (1 Timothy 5:19,20)
Excommunication and its shunning and spiritual discipline is required for impenitent pastors and laity alike for such manifest sinners as 1Co. 5:9-11.
After that, or in the absence of that, the state can choose to deal with such, and as the church can hand over the impenitent to the devil for chastisement, excommunication leaves the impenitent to the state to deal with, and without an ally in such case, until he repents.
But i do not agree that the church should be obligated to report public moral sins of its members to the state if it is doing its job to discipline such. But if the state requires it in certain cases then the church should do so if the state will act justly, and in the case of the penitent it should be their ally, and the state should let the church do its job.
But rather than reporting such to the civil powers first, the church is to be told first and investigate the allegations and provide its judgment, and not report mere suspects. Of course, if the church is known for not dealing Biblically with such, then one should not be part of it anyway, and only such a church should find itself being replaced by the state in dealing with discipline in moral transgressions involving others.
For while state is a minister of justice,(Rm. 13:1-7) it does not have the moral high ground and often does not deal justly, and should neither be in the home or church, standing where it ought not. And once it gets in the church, then it is prone to exercise its will in areas it should not be in, including what it is be taught. Thus the state should never have to be involved in matters within the church.
However, the rule is, if a person, home or church is not controlled from within, by God and conscience, then it must be controlled from without.
Men, in a word, must necessarily be controlled, either by a power within them, or by a power without them; either by the Word of God, or by the strong arm of man; either by the Bible, or by the bayonet. It may do for other countries and other governments to talk about the State supporting religion. Here, under our own free institutions, it is Religion which must support the State." (Speech to the Massachusetts Bible Society (1849-05-28), quoted in Robert Winthrop, Addresses and Speeches on Various Occasions, Little, Brown & Co., 1852, p. 172)
The “church” is not above the law.
The key point to consider is whether or not the organization (the church, a school, a college, the boy scouts) is doing the “right” thing is if their first call after their lawyer and boss is to the police.
If the story is not accompanied by a mug shot, then the organization is full of shit and complicit.
Now, I dare anyone to do a search for Predatory Priests serving time. The number arrested and convicted is tiny. The amount of cases settled is huge.
That tells me everything that matters to these people.
So we've noticed.
the Holy Scripture is itself the product of the Catholic Church.
God might take exception to that since it's HIS word.
No wonder Catholics have such a low view of Scripture and don't even bother following the book they claim they wrote.
It's merely the product of man in a corrupt institution pretending to be a church.
Except for the fact that before Trent is was 100% acceptable for priests and scholars to question the canon, throw books out, and add books.
Try looking at what Luther’s contemporaries Erasmus and Cajetan were writing, with total approval of Rome.
Do you allow the RCC to just handle this and the priest shipped of to another area?
Do you call the police and have the priest arrested?
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