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Is this the one where the Muslims stole other people maps and pieced them together
Kooky but very fun article. Thanks for posting.
Have you tried applying a reactant and heat to the back?
One of the curious things is that it has land outlines of Antarctica, which probably wouldn’t have been possible for 10,000 to 12,000 (when the last big ice age ended). So it would suggest seafaring men existed...more than 12,000 years ago.
looks like a Rorschach ink blot test for psychiatric studies
Waiting on Giorgio Tsouklalos’s confirmation on the origin of the map, but I think I know the answer.
Where was this found, the Democrats 2018 situation room?
They don’t exhibit any knowledge of stuff that post dates it.
I.e., Reis was now expected to confine his piracy to infidels. Murder, rape, pillage and the taking of slaves, as long as the victims were Christian, remained religious duties.
1500 as ancient? The dawn of civilization?
How about 4000 years before that!
Plato, Aristotle, Archimedes, Euclid, Ptolemy, and Roger Bacon all lived long before the beginnings of civilization?
Second, is really the only argument in favor of this theory the statement of that Colonel made in 1960 with data from 1949 ? We surely have much better data now, from studies done with much better equipment and those things called "artificial satellites". Simply basing the argument on something somebody said half a century ago is silly. If there is any validity in this theory, surely it could be checked with more modern measurements. Third, and really more important: what shape the coastline is right now, under the very thick ice sheet, is irrelevant. This is because ice weights, and weights a lot. It weights so much that it has made the Antarctic Plate sink deeper in the mantle that it would do normally. So if you were to remove the ice from the Antarctic, the landmass underneath would bounce back in a short while (in geological terms); this would obviously alter the shape of the coastline. As the reverse is also true, the coastline of Antarctic before there was an ice sheet was different from what it is now.
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Later, I visited the Topkapi Palace, and asked to see the map. I was told no, it was kept at the Naval Museum.
I hope somebody in Istanbul knows where the original map iskept.
Needs the Spock “Fascinating” gif.
Given some of the things we’ve found that seem to be many thousands of years old, it wouldn’t surprise me if there were civilizations far older than we are currently aware of. Mother nature is far harsher than we realize, and maintaining any type of structure over millenia, except in the most sterile environments would seem highly unlikely.
It would not surprise me at all if there were ‘civilizations’, cities, trade, etc. much earlier than we know of, that were disrupted by major event(s).
Maybe, someday we will find out.
Depends upon when you think the dawn of civilization began given some would argue that there have been ancient civilizations 12000 years old and further.......
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A bit more googling reveals a fairly devastating review of this theory:
Although the Piri Reis Map mentions the existence of various
source maps, there a complete lack of any evidence for the
correctness of boundaries and grids of the alleged source
maps drawn by Hapgood (1966, 1979). The reconstructed
“source maps” are assumed to be accurate because they
eliminated many of the errors present in the uncorrected
Piri Reis Map. However, there is no proof whether these
errors were in the alleged original “source maps” or created
during compilation. Dr. Hapgood reasoned that because
the hypothetical grids and “source maps” of his can
remove the errors proves these maps are accurate and,
since they are accurate, that proves that the error was created
by copying and compilation of the Piri Reis Map and not in
the source maps from which it was made. Thus, one is the
proof of the other without any other independent evidence
including not even one of the alleged “source maps” from
which the Piri Reis Map was compiled. As a result, the
alleged accuracy of the Piri Reis Map could just
be the result of the assumptions made by Dr. Hapgood
as to the source of the errors in the existing map.
...
Since 1949 and 1966, Drewry (1982) compiled the available
data obtained from seismic surveys and radio echo soundings
into what still considered the most comprehensive mapping
that has ever been published. A comparison of the portion
of the Piri Reis map, which they claim to be Antarctica, with
a both more recent subglacial bedrock topography map
(Drewry 1982, sheet 3) and a bedrock surface map isostatically
adjusted for glacial rebound (Drewry 1982, sheet 6) showed
a distinct lack of any striking similarities their coastlines and
that of the Piri Reis Map. The lack of correspondence between
the Piri Reis Map and an ice-free Antarctica is not surprising
given the evidence presented by Linde (1980) that the source
maps for the other parts of the Piri Reis Map are of no great
antiquity.
http://www.intersurf.com/~chalcedony/FOG9.html
Ok I read the article. Didn’t see anything from ancient Egypt. Saw about the Piri Ries Map. It’s only 500+ years old. 3000+ years ago, the Phoenicians sailed around Africa at the Egyptians request...that would be an ancient Egyptian story. Egypt was 1,500 years old at that point, but, I digress.
Piri Reis was just showing what the Portuguese knew. They had discovered South American before Columbus, but, didn’t share that knowledge. There is some suggestion that Columbus may have even gone there with the Portuguese. It’s not surprising there would be a map of the South American coast. It’s not a map of Antarctica.