Posted on 04/19/2018 12:44:08 PM PDT by JOHN ADAMS
Trying to get objective information on what actually happened at the Philly Starbucks is like searching for a unicorn, but I'm hoping well-informed Freepers can help. Civilized people of all races should not, as far as I can see, expect to go into a restaurant and expect to be able to sit there indefinitely, or use the bathroom, if they're not paying customers -- unless, of course, that's the restaurant's business model because they think it'll attract people to sit there and ultimately spend money. Have people on this board seen reliable reports, i.e. not ideologically driven, about what happened?
The politics of victimhood happened at the Starbucks in Philly.
Parts of the nation were outraged by a youtube video.
I walked into a bar in NYC and they wouldn’t let me use the restroom (key required) because I wasn’t a paying customer yet.
So I said “oh, okay” and bought a beer, set it down in front of. me at the bar, then took the key and used the restroom, after which I proceeded to drink the beer (and then some more).
This all probably means it’s proof of my embedded, self-assured white privilege since I didn’t immediately yell “RACIST” and leave the bar frothing obscenities at the bartender.
Most people think the reasonable thing to have done was to buy something to resolve the issue. The men refused.
I have not been following this closely, but I just came to the thought that the reason the men refused the simple request to purchase something was that they expected the investor they were there to meet to buy food for them as they were dealing, and so weren't going to buy something on their own.
-PJ
Apparently the two males entered the Starbucks, waiting for a third party. They were there for an extended period of time, used the restroom etc. The Manager on Duty asked them to make a purchase or to exit the premises, they refused to do either. She then apparently made a 2nd request and they refused again. She then contacted Philadelphia PD through the 911 system and responding officers arrived, and themselves asked the individuals to leave, they refused and were arrested for trespassing. It’s a pretty cut and dry deal.
The cops also asked them to leave and they refused, that’s why they were arrested.
And the rent shopkeepers are charged is outrageous even in small towns. I've done the arithmetic and I'm amazed that some businesses can even cover their overhead. They can't afford to turn away even one paying customer.
I remember that leftist "occupy Wall Street" thing a couple years ago. Evidently the business owners in that neighborhood suffered greatly as hordes of filthy leftists descended upon their bathrooms and tables leaving no room for paying customers.
I’ve spent a lot of time traveling in the USA.
In almost all urban food/beverage establishments, the restrooms are normally not open.
One either has to wait for someone to exit or ask to get buzzed in.
The policy is normally that they are there for paying customers.
In suburban fast food establishments, the restrooms are normally open. One can normally walk in, use them and leave.
In more formal restaurants everywhere, restrooms are only for paying customers.
I suspect the reason urban restrooms are not open is that homeless people will linger in them, especially in cold weather. However, I’m not sure.
I some cases I’ve had to use them before buying something. I’ve always been let in.
I imagine every urban establishment has a policy that is made clear to the staff.
In cold weather, I’m sure Starbucks get patronized by homeless people who buy coffee, sip it slowly and use the facilities.
Coffee is a diuretic, causing the urge to urinate, as is cola, since both normally contain caffeine. If I buy a soda and have to use the restroom an hour or two later, I do.
Theft of services. Restrooms are usually for customer only and these guys were just sitting there for over an hour without having at least the decency to buy a cheap cup of coffee (no frilly thing) - and when asked to leave they got all huffy and there it all went.
PS: The CEO rolled over. I wouldn’t drink that swill anyway.
They refused to buy something, presumably because they expected real estate investor Andrew Yaffe to be buying, and they wouldn't leave because they expected him to show up at any moment (which he did).
It seems like if the parties had only waited another five minutes, the situation would have resolved itself.
-PJ
“I walked into a bar in NYC and they wouldn’t let me use the restroom (key required) because I wasn’t a paying customer yet.”
The same thing happened to me one evening while walking my dog-———I went into a local restaurant,tossed a couple of bucks on the counter for a coffee,and used the restroom.
I didn’t drink the coffee-—I went back to the dog. :-)
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I'm guessing that they didn't want to buy anything because they expected the rich white investor they were there to meet to do the paying.
-PJ
‘They can’t be here for us’: Black men arrested at Starbucks tell their story for the first time
Thank you. I don’t get why people ask “What happened?” As if we are their personal Google search engine.
Now if they want to ask our take on it - our opinion; that’s different.
But if you are so clueless about a national news story- don’t broadcast your ignorance in an open forum.
“The basic story is that two black men were waiting...one of the men wanted to use the bathroom and the manager said they had to buy something first.”
It is probably the combination of the waiting and the request to use the facilities that made the manager refuse.
One would have to ask the manager to be sure.
Thanks for the good summary. Side note, Imagine if they were gun owners bought food and told to leave and they didn’t....they’d be in jail, end of story.
She was loaded....
I got up and laughed...I was done anyway....
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