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Pop Goes The Car Bubble . . . And It May Not Be a Bad Thing
Eric Peters Autos ^ | 09 June 2017 | Eric

Posted on 06/11/2017 10:11:26 AM PDT by Lorianne

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To: freepertoo

I drive all of my vehicles 10 plus years. It now looks like I’ll never buy a new one again.


81 posted on 06/11/2017 5:32:33 PM PDT by BipolarBob (Operation Covfefe is now in effect.)
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To: IYAS9YAS

“Base model F-150 starts at $27,110. “

ROTFLMAO!

And I have posted links ...


82 posted on 06/11/2017 5:47:01 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: IYAS9YAS

“Base model F-150 starts at $27,110. “

Do you realize that ford.com says no one should pay over invoice for fords?


83 posted on 06/11/2017 5:49:37 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: DIRTYSECRET

Buy a Mercedes Sprinter. Mine will be 11 with 230k miles, paid for for 6 years and will go at least 5 more. It has a turbodiesel

Rather than purchase price, consider cost of ownership and operation on a per mile basis. The Sprinter is cheap.


84 posted on 06/11/2017 5:56:24 PM PDT by Thibodeaux (the long night is over)
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To: TexasGator
And I have posted links ...

So did I. Scroll down to the F-150. I understand MSRP and Invoice, and incentives. Just five years ago, the same base MSRP was under $20,000. And you could get good discounts then, too.

The link you posted shows the starting point for that F-150 as over $30,000 for a bare-bones truck. Even with discounts, its higher than I'm willing to pay for a basic unit.

85 posted on 06/11/2017 5:56:37 PM PDT by IYAS9YAS (An' Tommy ain't a bloomin' fool - you bet that Tommy sees! - Kipling)
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To: chrisser
We are looking for a small pick 'em up truck. Simple, basic 4W with a diesel engine. They want about a quarter of what we paid for the old homestead.

I know the car market and truck market are two different things but I am not seeing the kind of market conditions he is describing.

86 posted on 06/11/2017 5:59:24 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Not a Romantic, not a hero worshiper and stop trying to tug my heartstrings. It tickles! (pink bow))
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To: IYAS9YAS

“The link you posted shows the starting point for that F-150 as over $30,000 for a bare-bones truck. “

I rechecked the link. The starting point is LESS than $22,000!

It is NOT a barebones truck. It is an XL. Six cylinder, six-speed auto, power windows, power steering, CD and towing package.


87 posted on 06/11/2017 6:06:49 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: IYAS9YAS

“Just five years ago, the same base MSRP was under $20,000. “

$24,300 for the same package.


88 posted on 06/11/2017 6:11:18 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

I’ve never owned a diesel, but I’d consider it.

Our old tractor is gas, but when we replace it, I’ll probably go with a diesel. Once I need diesel for the tractor, a diesel pickup will make more sense.


89 posted on 06/11/2017 6:14:03 PM PDT by chrisser
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To: chrisser

I don’t know but check that both use same diesel fuel.


90 posted on 06/11/2017 6:36:37 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: chrisser
That is partly why we are looking for a diesel.

Most of the driving will be on our property and the tractor is diesel so we already have the tank. Not to mention I know how to do basic repairs on a diesel.

91 posted on 06/11/2017 6:47:54 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Not a Romantic, not a hero worshiper and stop trying to tug my heartstrings. It tickles! (pink bow))
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To: TexasGator
I rechecked the link. The starting point is LESS than $22,000!

That's their end-point, after all the discounts/incentives. Yes, it may go lower with either of the three listed additional discounts, depending on their terms and your ability to meet them. However, the starting point is still over $30,000.

MSRP is $27,110 for a base-model F-150, right on Ford's site, in my link in post 78. Again, that's the suggested price, but that's where they start before incentives and discounts. Still way too high.

Heck, I just configured one at Ford's site in the same fashion as they have at your linked dealer, and MSRP with towing, power windows/locks (Equipment group 100A), CD player (Equipment Group 100A), and V-6/Auto, lists out around $29,710 (including shipping and the option price on Equipment Group 100A). Heck your dealer's starting point of over $30,000 is higher than anything I can find on Ford's site for the same truck shown.

Yes, they get it all the way down to $22,000 with incentives and discounts, but that's where the damn thing should be priced to begin with.

92 posted on 06/11/2017 7:07:25 PM PDT by IYAS9YAS (An' Tommy ain't a bloomin' fool - you bet that Tommy sees! - Kipling)
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To: IYAS9YAS

“That’s their end-point”

That is their posted starting point.


93 posted on 06/11/2017 7:10:16 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: IYAS9YAS

“Heck your dealer’s starting point of over $30,000 is higher than anything I can find on Ford’s site for the same truck shown.”

LOL. The window sticker is linked on the page.


94 posted on 06/11/2017 7:11:48 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: IYAS9YAS

“MSRP is $27,110 for a base-model F-150, right on Ford’s site, in my link in post 78. Again, that’s the suggested price.”

Right on ford.com it says invoice is the suggested price.


95 posted on 06/11/2017 7:13:46 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: txrefugee
60% on 50 years? I'm not too sure that sounds right. I checked a fedgov site for inflation back to 1997 (the year I bought my house, so my salary stands out in my mind). For every $100 in salary, you'd need to make $140 now to stay in place.

This during a time of relatively low inflation. I doubt that many people have kept pace.

96 posted on 06/11/2017 7:15:38 PM PDT by Patriotic1 (Dic mihi solum facta, domina - Just the facts, ma'am)
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To: TexasGator
LOL. The window sticker is linked on the page.

And right in the middle of that linked sticker, the "Total before discounts" is $30,425. I understand sticker/MSRP and all that, but the point is, the price their asking is the "after" price, not the starting price. Total MSRP is $29,675 after a $750 discount. It's right there on the sticker.

97 posted on 06/11/2017 7:19:52 PM PDT by IYAS9YAS (An' Tommy ain't a bloomin' fool - you bet that Tommy sees! - Kipling)
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To: IYAS9YAS
the price their

s/b the price they're

98 posted on 06/11/2017 7:21:40 PM PDT by IYAS9YAS (An' Tommy ain't a bloomin' fool - you bet that Tommy sees! - Kipling)
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To: IYAS9YAS

“, but the point is, the price their asking is the “after” price, not the starting price”

The point is you call the dealer Internet rep and that price is the starting price. Been there, done that.


99 posted on 06/11/2017 7:30:43 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: Lorianne
Signs of trouble abound. They build them – but no one comes.

I can explain that....they suck.

They're ugly, way over-engineered, and priced about 300% more than they're worth. I wouldn't take a new car if they gave me one.

For less than half the cost of one, you could have the vintage vehicle of your choice restored and upgraded with modern brakes, suspension and drivetrain.

For a little more, you could have a pristine custom version with an expensive interior and paint job...all done by some skilled American worker, probably right there in your own home town.

100 posted on 06/11/2017 7:49:26 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (The fear of stark justice sends hot urine down their thighs.)
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