Posted on 04/13/2017 5:10:20 AM PDT by Eric Pode of Croydon
Edited on 04/13/2017 7:04:23 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
I think (I think) that is where being a flight attendant for life has ruined air travel aboard American flagged carriers. In a word, unions. There are some jobs that are just more suitable as a thing one does before getting into a real career or marriage. In days gone by being a stewardess seemed like something women did before they got married, then quit. Let's face it, this is not the kind of job that is conducive to good work/life balance to say the least and I have to think, the older one gets, the more difficult the job becomes. So rather than move on, because the pay is so good, flight attendants hang on while their ability to tolerate the inconveniences and physical demands of the job erodes. Once one flies a foreign flagged airline, they become aware of what I'm saying here.
Although I'm not a lawyer I'm inclined to believe that United broke no laws in that incident.However,your reference to a Pyrrhic victory is entire correct.And you being correct on that point speaks to the depths to which this country has sunk in terms of stupidity and shallowness
I saw a post in another thread suggesting something that had never occurred to me...and that is that that clown,that bat $hit crazy clown,was playing to the cameras all along with a big payout in mind.That strikes me as being entirely possible.It was either that or he has a very deep psychiatric disorder.
Assuming that some group of lawyers takes his case on a contingency fee basis I'd like to see that group,and their client,walk away with literally one US dollar.
And the lawyers would get a third of that.
“The truth is that in any other industry, if I pay for something I’m ENTITLED to it. And if people revoke it after payment, it’s called fraud and there are all kinds of ugly consequences.”
I’ll go you one better. If you have one of something and you sell it to two different people, both expecting to be the only purchaser, it’s a fraud as well.
I haven’t flown since 1999. All of my vacations are road trips. But if I ever do fly again, it will not be on United.
adhesion contracts. the law frowns on those.
For those who have to fly for work or overseas, not flying is not an option.
Car companies tried this by “modifying warranties” via a document in the glove compartment after you took possession of your new car.
We now are crammed into spaces not even fit for livestock. airlines are cavalier bout DVT dangers and say “tough”.
fake security to go with fake customer service to go with all the other BS.
In one of my former lives I flew for a large international carrier. We were commercialled out of Asia frequently, my last choice was to fly United. Everything they did was below the Asian carriers like Cathay.
Face it, to United we are merely SLF (self loading freight).
I now avoid flying whenever possible, the hassle is simply not worth it most of the time.
the later flight was the next day and the voucher would not pay for a roach motel.
People have schedules and jobs. The fact united screwed up their employee schedules is not the problem of those people on that flight who paid for their seats.
Oh sure - nothing like a little official violence against us ordinary civilian citizens. You're absolutely right - when we do stupid stuff, like pay big money for plane tickets, go through all the fun security stuff and then board a plane, we also handed off all of our rights as Americans and SHOULD be beaten.
Nazi Germany's looking better and better, isn't it?
remember when airline stewardesses were pretty and not the present day ugly to the bone nags?
“However, the meager offers they give of a heavily limited ticket is a pathetic option and not worth considering.”
Part of what makes their compensation offers inadequate is the idiotic drill just to get to the gate.
This has been my observation. The airlines can easily turn a customer service issue into a security issue. And many "law and order" types lick it right up.
In this case, UA screwed up on many levels, then used their own escalation to justify the use of Law Enforcement.
Preboarding. Not after being seated. Conditions of carriage defines the conditions under which a passenger can be deplane against their will.
Now you get groped by some *** at TSA, and get some swooshy Steward or a bitter ol stewardess
No offense, Bub but buying a plane ticket doesn't give a business owner the right to violate the contract and then call in thugs to assault a citizen for claiming his rights under the contract.
We ain't a police state yet.
and they pay for the damages as the passenger IS not how they wish he was.
ie missing daughter’s wedding, missing work, loss of business.
United screwed up big time.
Even southwest is ridiculing them. (we beat our competition, not you)
John Kerry Airlines: “do you know who I am!”
it was unfettered arrogance.
For those who have to fly for work or overseas, not flying is not an option. finally someone is on the right track...yes, these contracts are contracts of adhesion.
However the interesting issue is that the Federal Regulations have "allowed" them. Your issue of traveling for work is relevant, but not the actual issue.
The issue is/are the law/laws that allow ALL the airlines to ignore basic contract law if they choose . The author correctly identified the issue with this quote.
In the context of the airline, let’s dissect “entitled.” You’re d*mn right I’m entitled. When you pay for a service, you are entitled to that service. It is known as “contract”. And I don’t really care if the government says it’s legal for them to drop people involuntarily. The government is no arbiter of morals. The truth is that in any other industry, if I pay for something I’m ENTITLED to it. And if people revoke it after payment, it’s called fraud and there are all kinds of ugly consequences.
The ensuing litigation will be epic.
From a political standpoint, would all the posters apologizing for United on this board have encouraged their representatives to actually vote for the law/laws that allow airlines to suspend contract law?
I doubt it.
$800 and a night at the Marriott on top of the ticket you already hold is not sufficient compensation?
Jeese you could be back in the saddle in 8 hours.
Unless I was rushing to see someone who is dying I can not see how this is an insufficient offer.
Tell ya what,I don’t want to be at 30’000 feet with irrational jackasses.
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