To: nathanbedford

Well, you have that right. There HAVE been about 15 zillion conspiracies presumed about everything.

61 posted on 03/30/2017 9:20:36 AM PDT by Owen

Trump apologized? That would be...unusual.

62 posted on 03/30/2017 9:20:58 AM PDT by be-baw (still seeking)

Hey, Don, a little advice: passing RyanCare, which will be renamed TrumpCare when it starts imploding, is not how to “drain the swamp.”

Quit savaging the Freedom Caucus just because they wouldn’t support this monstrosity just because you got your feeling hurt because they didn’t do what you told them to.

Back a return-to-the-states, market driven approach that gets the federal government out of healtcare. Concentrate on building the wall and getting illegals out of the country, outlaw the Muslim Brotherhood. You have work to do, and it doesn’t include bad mouthing conservatives.

63 posted on 03/30/2017 9:22:04 AM PDT by SharpRightTurn (Chuck Schumer--giving pond scum everywhere a bad name.)

To: Helicondelta

The Powers That Be are playing both sides.

Healthcare Controls and The Benefits of “The Blame Game”…

Posted on March 25, 2017 by sundance

In the final hours prior to the healthcare debacle, the billionaire Koch Brothers sent a warning to the House Freedom Caucus that they’d better hold the line and kill the ObamaCare repeal or replacement bill, or else.

…”The advocacy groups helmed by Charles and David Koch have unveiled a new pool of money for advertisements, field programs and mailings that would exclude those who vote for the health care bill they oppose on Thursday. The effort, which they described as worth millions of dollars, is an explicit warning to on-the-fence Republicans from one of the most influential players in electoral politics not to cross them”… (more).

Weeks earlier the Billionaire authors (special interests) behind the ObamaCare repeal and replacement, Tom Donohue U.S. CoC et al., warned Speaker Ryan they expected the boundaries established years earlier to be retained.

Two sets of billionaire interests representing: ‘who-pays-the-insurance-premium‘ within the Healthcare issue.

It’s Paul Ryan’s fault, “remove him” some say. No, it’s the House Freedom Caucus. “Grab the tar and feathers”, others say….

Odd, no?

Odd, because in the aftermath of the fiasco all of the blame-centric attention is focused on Speaker Paul Ryan and/or the House Freedom Caucus – meanwhile the billionaires garner nary a critical side-eye?

Perhaps it’s just too disconcerting of a paradigm shift for the average voter to ask?

Why are two billionaires Charles and David Koch allowed to threaten standing members of congress who are collectively at least supposed to represent the interests of approximately 28 million voters?

Why is Tom Donohue (U.S. Chamber of Commerce, President) allowed to threaten the Speaker of the House of Representatives, and author legislation affecting 300+ million?

No-one seems to ask those questions.

Is it because it’s just easier to focus on Bad Ryan, or Bad Caucus?

Or, just maybe, is it because the billionaire BIG CLUB members are just smart and they know how to keep the “stupidity of the American voter” focused on Bad Ryan and Bad Caucus?

The billionaire BIG CLUB members most certainly didn’t become billionaire BIG CLUB members by being stupid.

Special, more influential, membership requires special, more influential, interests. The questions posed above constitute a larger risk. How do you control that risk – You control the narrative. How do you control the narrative – You control the PR. How do you control the PR – You control the media. How do you control the media – You own or create it.

Therein you recognize BIG CLUB membership requires a media to sell your special, more influential, interests.

You then use your media to keep people focused on factional fighting: Ryan Bad. No, Caucus Bad. Mentally, that’s much easier -more comfortable- to handle; and it keeps people from asking the ultimate questions which lay at the root of the issues.

Billionaire BIG CLUB – Influence and Control agents:

♦ Billionaire Carlos Slim – PR Firm: New York Times.

♦ Billionaire Robert Mercer – PR Firm: Breitbart Media

♦ Billionaire Jeff Bezos – PR Firm: Washington Post

♦ Billionaire Rupert Murdoch – PR Firm: Wall Street Journal, Fox News Corp.

♦ Billionaire Farris Wilks – PR Firm: The Daily Wire (Ben Shapiro)

♦ Billionaire Cary Katz – PR Firm: Conservative Review and CRTV (Mark Levin)

…and so it goes.

Yet, no-one seems to notice.

It is just much easier to argue about Paul Ryan and Mark Meadows, and ignore the bigger argument is really about Tom Donohue vs Koch Brothers.

Then again, if we were to start really drilling down the issue, we might have to recognize the entire framework of the 2010 Citizens United SCOTUS decision just, really did, inject steroids into an already bastardized process of political finance and special interests.

When CTH points out that without the Citizens United decision, the Freedom Caucus couldn’t exist, we are getting way too close to the inner circle discussion that lies at the heart of the matter. Consequently CTH draws attention from the eye of Sauron.

It is funny, not in a ha-ha way, how no-one ever notices the financial interests of each billionaire within the club are directly tied to the expressed and outlined special interests of the Media outlet who sell the narrative of their owner. EXAMPLE:

In 2010, when ObamaCare was signed into law, one of the lesser discussed aspects was the federal government abolished private-sector distribution of federal student loan monies. The entire business model of College Loan Corp, Cary Katz’s Lending Corporation, was destroyed by ObamaCare.

Ordinary banks are still able to lend their own money under traditional lending agreements with students; however, the business of brokering the lending of federally secured and underwritten education funds was ended.

Lending Corp., was one of those brokerage middlemen eliminated by ObamaCare. The feds now directly lend the funds to students. Cutting out the middleman was designed to save the government money.

ObamaCare taking over the student loan industry was a monumental loss to Cary Katz/Lending Corp. on a massive scale. In 2008 his company loaned out nearly $11 billion to students within their financial enterprise. ObamaCare stopped that practice cold.

During the ObamaCare construct Cary Katz spent millions funding any politician that was opposing ObamaCare, and since passage he has spent millions funding efforts toward its repeal.

The Conservative Review website was started by Billionaire Cary Katz in 2014 as “managing member” and sole officer. Mark Levin was hired as front-man for the enterprise. As CR evolved in 2015, the Conservative Review’s litmus-test was,… wait for it… yup, ObamaCare repeal. Go figure.

It’s a BIG CLUB….. And You Ain’t in It!

Each billionaire member in the BIG CLUB also has their own media propaganda machine.

Each billionaire media firm tells you, the reader/voter, who to be outraged against.

So think again, about who is to blame for the HealthCare reform bill’s collapse.

After you think about who is to blame, ask yourself where did you get the information that helped you to formulate your opinion on who is to blame.

Was your perspective on the failure of Healthcare repeal and replace legislation impacted by the targeted messaging from the Media PR firm selling the billionaire BIG CLUB members special interest in it?

If you find you have just swallowed a Red Pill, you might also ask yourself:

Was my original perspective on the Repeal and Replace construct also an outcome of advocacy I bought into as a result of unwittingly engaging with a PR Firm of the Billionaire Big Club members?

Only you can answer those questions.

64 posted on 03/30/2017 9:22:46 AM PDT by Bratch ("The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke)

To: Helicondelta

[copy of post by GeaugaRepublican]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3539398/posts?q=1&;page=195

Here is the rundown from Heavy.com.

Mark Meadows – Mark Meadows of North Carolina is the chair of the House Freedom Caucus. He was elected during the 2012 election, and in 2015, The Washington Post called him the “Donald Trump of the House of Representatives.” He has been negotiating with the White House on the American Health Care Act but says that a deal has not yet been reached.

Justin Amash – Anti-Trump

Brian Babin –supported Ted Cruz during the 2016 election.

Rod Blum – He was an early Trump supporter

Dave Brat – He campaigned for Ted Cruz during the 2016 election but supported Donald Trump once Trump earned the nomination.

Mo Brooks – Mo Brooks of Alabama was elected in 2012. He gave Trump a halfhearted endorsement in October 2016, telling AL.com, “I’m going to vote for all the Republicans on the ballot.”

Ken Buck – He criticized Trump during the presidential campaign after Trump called for a ban on Muslims, saying that Trump is a “fraud’ and that “Trump’s proposal (to ban all Muslims) violates the Constitution, the values of our nation, the Republican Party platform, and my conscience,” according to The Huffington Post.

Warren Davidson – Warren Davidson of Ohio was elected during the 2015 election. On FiveThirtyEight’s tracker of how often politicians agree with Donald Trump, Davidson has agreed with Trump 100 percent of the time since January.

Ron DeSantis – Ron DeSantis of Florida was elected in 2012. In May 2016, DeSantis called on the GOP to unite around Donald Trump, according to Florida Politics.

Scott DesJarlais – Scott DesJarlais of Tennessee was elected in 2010. He endorsed Donald Trump in March 2016.“ While there are certainly things that I admire and respect in each of the remaining candidates, I believe Donald Trump is the candidate best poised to make America great again,” DesJarlais said at the time. “As such, I was proud to cast my vote for Mr. Trump and look forward to supporting the eventual Republican nominee whomever that might be.”

Jeff Duncan – Jeff Duncan one of the first elected officials in the country to endorse Donald Trump for president.

Trent Franks – Trent Franks of Arizona was elected during the 2002 election. Franks was somewhat critical of Donald Trump throughout the early days of the election, mainly because he was not sure Trump could beat Hillary Clinton. However, Franks eventually supported Trump. “Jesus is not on the ballot. We always need to choose between two flawed people,” Franks said in May 2016.

Tom Garrett Jr. – Tom Garrett Jr. was elected to represent Virginia during the 2016 election. After the leaked tape on which Donald Trump brags about sexually assaulting women, Garret condemned the comments but said he would continue to support Trump. “You got to choose between two very flawed candidates for who you think will be best for the future. We certainly think the Republican vision is the stronger vision,” he said, according to The Daily Progress.

Paul Gosar – He endorsed Donald Trump for president in July 2016. “Donald Trump has pledged to be a strong defender of the Second Amendment and to appoint conservatives to the Supreme Court,” he said in a statement at the time. “I wholeheartedly support Donald Trump and his vision to make America great again.”

Morgan Griffith –He supported Donald Trump after Trump became the Republican party’s presumptive nominee.

Andy Harris – Andy Harris of Maryland was elected in 2010. He supported Trump after Trump became the Republican party’s nominee, but he condemned Trump’s comments on the leaked Access Hollywood tape in October.

Jody Hice – Jody Hice was elected to represent Georgia in the 2014 election. He said very little about Donald Trump during the 2016 election. In March, Hice said that the Obamacare repeal vote was delayed because very few people thought Trump would win.

Ted Poe – Ted Poe has represented Texas since 2005. He did not offer a public endorsement of Donald Trump during the 2016 election, but he did say, “Trump, a businessman, wants to run the country like a business in the sense that people get back to work. … Millions of Americans have given up on the American Dream and quit looking for work and Trump can do that.”

Bill Posey– He supported Trump for president but said after the Access Hollywood comments, “The things Trump said 11 years ago are appalling. It’s appropriate that he apologized. I support him because he realizes who his enemies are and can protect the country, help turn this economy around and get America headed back in the right direction.”

Mark Sanford – Mark Sanford of South Carolina has served in the House of Representatives since 1995. He has been a vocal critic of Donald Trump, saying in February 2017 that Trump “has fanned the flames of intolerance,” according to The Washington Post.

David Schweikert – He supported Ted Cruz for president but backed Donald Trump after Trump became the nominee, saying that he is “ethically obligated” to vote for a Republican for president.

Randy Weber – Randy Weber has represented Texas since 2013. He did not publicly support Donald Trump during the election.

Jim Jordan – Jim Jordan of Ohio is the founder of the House Freedom Caucus. In May 2016, he said that he enthusiastically supports Trump.

Raúl Labrador – Raúl Labrador of Idaho assumed office in January 2011. He reluctantly supported Trump for president but condemned much of his rhetoric, such as when Trump said that a judge could not fairly judge a case due to his Mexican heritage. “I will not stand idly by listening to a person attacking the integrity of a judge because of their ethnicity,” Labrador said. “That is absolutely morally abhorrent.”

Alex Mooney – Alex Mooney of West Virginia was elected during the 2014 election. He supported Donald Trump, including after the Access Hollywood tape in October. “I look at the issues. Hillary Clinton has plenty of problems too with her past and her emails,” he said. “Looking at the two candidates—one I think is good for West Virginia and one is not good for West Virginia.”

Gary Palmer – Gary Palmer of Alabama was elected in 2014. He supported Donald Trump during the election, though he said that Trump was a flawed candidate. “Let me be clear, we are looking at two very imperfect candidates, but supporting the Republican nominee – Donald Trump – over the Democratic nominee – Hillary Clinton – is not a difficult choice,” he said.

Steve Pearce – Steve Pearce of New Mexico was elected in 2010. He supported Donald Trump during the election but denounced many of his statements. Recently, he said that Trump’s travel ban was poorly executed.

Scott Perry – Scott Perry has represented Pennsylvania since 2013. He supported Donald Trump during the election but said that Trump’s Access Hollywood tape comments were “reprehensible and indefensible.”

Ted Yoho – Ted Yoho has represented Florida since 2013. He formally endorsed Donald Trump in June 2016.“When an outsider like Mr. Trump wins against all odds and against the political establishment machine, it exemplifies his political savvy and business acumen,” Yoho said. “Americans roots and love to see the underdog given a chance and eventually win.”

65 posted on 03/30/2017 9:23:15 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (Progressive Trickle Up policy: reward cronies, punish everyone else. 'Stimulus' shell game.)

To: Alberta's Child

And yet it was superceded by http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/15/politics/trump-obamacare/index.html

Health care has never been fixed in his mind. He's advocated many positions. What you cited was a snapshot in time.

66 posted on 03/30/2017 9:23:51 AM PDT by joesbucks

And?

The FC had the power to stop Ryan from becoming Speaker.

The FC could absolutely have prevented Ryan from becoming Speaker.

And?

If you’re reduced to a meaningless linguistic quibble over identical statements, you’re not making a worthwhile point.

67 posted on 03/30/2017 9:24:21 AM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)

It was important enough for him to post it to his website. If he’s just going to act like any other @sshole who runs for office and changes his mind after he wins, he’s going to be treated like one.

68 posted on 03/30/2017 9:26:42 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (President Donald J. Trump ... Making America Great Again, 140 Characters at a Time)

Maybe apologize was too strong...maybe he gave a “heads-up” that the tweet was a mistake - my point was that Ryan addressed it and made it sound like Trump was NOT threatening him with that tweet.

69 posted on 03/30/2017 9:28:34 AM PDT by Girlene

To: davikkm; donaldtrump

Very clever I am impressed.

The additional plus will be the fundraising increase.

heels always had more fun...
:)

70 posted on 03/30/2017 9:29:23 AM PDT by novemberslady

To: Helicondelta

They haven’t done anything. No one in the GOP has ever done anything.

However, I am going to avoid singling them out at this time, and I’m just going to say to the GOP prove you can get something done. You have all three branches.

Your previous attempt at “repeal and replace” was a total failure. So learn that everything you did, and everything you did not do, were the exact wrong things to do and not do, and do not repeat your mistake.

It’s time for you to stop pretending to be an opposition party and actually be an opposition party, otherwise there is no use or purpose in your existence, and you’ll be gone.

71 posted on 03/30/2017 9:31:19 AM PDT by chris37 (Donald J. Trump, Tom Brady, The Patriots... American Destiny!)

To: Alberta's Child

Again, just a snapshot from a moment in time. He advocated many different things both before and after his election.

I doubt you'll see a finished product that represents the list.

72 posted on 03/30/2017 9:32:40 AM PDT by joesbucks

.... I’m worried he’s gonna go full Schwartzenegger Syndrome on us.

73 posted on 03/30/2017 9:34:07 AM PDT by R_Kangel ( "A Nation of Sheep ..... Will Beget ..... a Nation Ruled by Wolves.")

74 posted on 03/30/2017 9:34:31 AM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)

To: Helicondelta

Us Cantorizing the weasel Eric Cantor stopped Ryan and the RINOs from passing Rubio’s amnesty in the summer of 2014 to clear that issue off the table for Yeb! like they planned.
If amnesty had passed, there would be no President Trump.

I stand with Dave Brat, he has done what we elected him to do, unlike the weasels you’re supporting.

75 posted on 03/30/2017 9:34:38 AM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here Of Citizen Parents - Know Islam, No Peace -No Islam, Know Peace)

To: Helicondelta

I can’t forget Mike Lee at the convention having a meltdown.

76 posted on 03/30/2017 9:34:54 AM PDT by lilypad

For the Freedom Caucus to get as much as it can is great. But 30 members of the House cannot control the government. They are going to lose not their seats, but the House and Senate in 2018. There will be no Obamacare repeal or replace. If they think that’s great, at some point to hell with them.

77 posted on 03/30/2017 9:35:29 AM PDT by Williams (Stop tolerating the intolerant.)

Got it. Thanks for the info.

78 posted on 03/30/2017 9:37:42 AM PDT by be-baw (still seeking)

Representative Mo Brooks just filed a bill that completely repeals Obamacare:

FR Article post

"Effective as of Dec. 31, 2017, the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act is repealed, and the provisions of law amended or repealed by such Act are restored or revived as if such Act had not been enacted," the bill states.

Mo Brooks is a member of The House Freedom Caucus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Call Congress at 202-224-3121

Ask your Congress Critter to co-sponsor the bill and sign the discharge petition for US Representative Mo Brooks's bill titled, "Obamacare Repeal Act"!!!!!!!!!!!

79 posted on 03/30/2017 9:38:33 AM PDT by Basket_of_Deplorables (Drone Soros and sons!!!)

This is the wrong road for Trump to go down. The need is to elect more people that expand the Freedom caucus, not less.

80 posted on 03/30/2017 9:39:49 AM PDT by Kudsman

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