Drive-Bys Have Cow Over Voter Fraud

Rush Limbaugh.com ^ | January 24, 2017 | Rush Limbaugh

[Kaslin]

RUSH: Ah, this is great. The Drive-Bys won’t stop asking about it. I guess Trump last night made some reference again to all of the illegals who voted, and the Drive-Bys just keep going back to it today. And Spicer says (paraphrasing), “Look, there’s no investigation. We’re thinking of having one. There’s nothing new here, you people. The president has said that he believed a number of illegal people voted for a long time. He referenced it again last night, and you’re acting like it’s something new. It isn’t anything new.”

And they are acting like it’s something new. They will not let go of it. They are demanding evidence. They are demanding an investigation. They’re demanding that Trump back it up. They’re demanding that Spicer back it up. (laughing) You know what? There’s even a couple of Russian journalists that are in the briefing today. (laughing) Russian journalists, folks! With the Drive-Bys thinking the Russians hacked the election and Trump’s team has welcomed Russian journalists.

Everybody knows Russia doesn’t have journalists; they have hacks. (laughing) This is in their face. At least that’s what it appears to me. I haven’t had a chance to watch the whole thing here. But that’s what it seems to me to be.

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RUSH: I have a couple sound bites. I’ve been talking about the press briefing with Scott Spicer and the Drive-Bys here. It turns the out the woman I thought was Julie Pace AP was actually, what’s her name, Cecilia Vega, and she’s with ABC. We have two sound bites on this, and this is Cecilia Vega bringing up the subject of Trump believing that a bunch of illegals voted in the last election.

VEGA: Does the president believe that millions voted illegally in this election, and what evidence do you have of widespread voter fraud in this election, if that’s the case?

Trump Believes Millions Voted Illegally in 2016 Election: White House

SPICER: The president does believe that. He’s stated that before. I think he stated his concerns of voter fraud and people voting illegally during the campaign. He continues to maintain that belief based on studies and evidence that people have presented to him.

VEGA: But exactly what evidence? Speaker Ryan today says there’s no evidence. The National Association of Secretaries of State say that they don’t agree with the president’s assessment. What evidence do you have?

SPICER: As I said, I think the president has believed that for a while based on studies and information he has.

RUSH: All right. So then they went off on other things and Mara Liasson had her turn. She asked about the VA hiring freeze. Then she got back to this claim — you can tell the Drive-Bys don’t believe it happened and they’ve got all this other evidence, the National Association of Secretaries of State, transgender and otherwise, all say it didn’t happen. Paul Ryan says it didn’t.

Look, there is voter fraud out there and it’s been documented time and time again and the reason that the Democrats are opposed to voter ID is so they can continue to engage in voter fraud. It’s simple. Voter fraud occurs. And voter ID, a photo ID proving you are who you are and that you’re registered, the Democrats oppose that, ’cause it’s one of the greatest techniques of preventing voter fraud there is. Anyway, Mara Liasson got back to it later on in her questioning.

LIASSON: Just to follow up on Cecilia.

SPICER: Yeah.

LIASSON: If three to five million people voted illegally, that is a scandal of astronomical proportions. Doesn’t he want to restore American’s faith in their ballot system? Wouldn’t he want an investigation of this?

SPICER: Well, you know, but, Mara, as I noted several times now, he’s believed this for a long time. And I think he won fairly overwhelmingly, so he’s not — (crosstalk)

CALLER: I’m asking you why not investigate something —

SPICER: Maybe we will.

LIASSON: This is the biggest scandal in American electoral history, three to five million people voting illegally?

SPICER: And I think we’ll see where we go from here, but right now the focus that the president has is on putting Americans back to work. It’s a comment he made on a long-standing belief.

RUSH: You find it ironic that (imitating Liasson) “Well, that would be the biggest scandal in the world, three and a half million people voting illegally.” Wait a minute, I thought the Russians hacking the election was the big scandal? And all of a sudden the Drive-Bys are out there saying it’s this? That would be the biggest scandal? By the way, Trump’s never said three to five million. I think the number was two million. It’s never been three to five million.

[spintreebob]

My wife entered illegally and is now a naturalized citizen.

The vast majority of non-citizens never think of registering or voting illegally. But two things are happening:
1) Anti-illegal voices make a big deal about vote fraud by illegals in a way that leaves a natural inference that those with a green card can vote. The focus on illegals blurs the distinction between green card and citizen.

2) Both Motor Voter and ACORN style voter registration register non-citizens through no fault of the non-citizen. Usually with no awareness of the non-citizen.

These names on the voter roll are now ripe for the professional vote harvestor to milk with both absentee, early voting and election day voting impersonation. It is just another form of identity theft.

This identity theft voting makes a big difference in low turnout primaries and off-year elections. It makes less difference in Presidential General Elections. The Chicago Aldermanic fight between Jesse Jackson’s Push and Obama’s mentors is the most fraudulent election I’m aware of as both sides committed much vote fraud. And much of that vote fraud was identity theft. Of course, much of it was also the same person registered and voting from multiple addresses, as is common in Chicago.

[Elsie]

The National Association of Secretaries of State say that they don’t agree with the president’s assessment.

Oh?

Does the NASS have 'evidence' to the contrary?

Or are they just hoping so?

[Elsie]

"Our instructions are ...

Just WHO is issuing instructions?

[Elsie]

We’ve got a little less than two years to get NAtional VOTER ID in place before the NEXT election.

I’ll bet it WILL happen!

[The Toll]

So now the Mainstream Media is demanding an investigation into voter fraud eh?

Trump, you magnificent bastard!

[spintreebob]

will of the majority of people in that state

Note how this adopts left wing phrasing. This phrasing includes legal and illegal non-citizens. This phrasing includes convicts and ex-convicts currently excluded in many states. This phrasing includes children.

(It includes everyone except a fetus. :) We need to be more careful in our use of words and language. When we adopt the language of the left we lose.

I'm curious. Why do some FReepers think that more Federal Government seizure of State and Local powers will somehow magically fix problems created by the Feds?

[frog in a pot]

The feds created this problem.
That may be true but only in the sense that the feds have not enforced federal election statutes. As we have seen in recent years, enforcement by the DOJ of such laws is subject to the political inclinations and objectives of the controlling political party.

Now you want the Feds to fix it?
You jumped to a conclusion. I referred to a single element of voter fraud – voting by non-citizens. I did not indicate which government should “fix it” for a simple reason: It is a violation of both state and federal laws for non-citizens to vote in state and federal elections.

Some of the obvious fixes: At the state level, the MAVA act you referred to specifically asks the applicant to declare citizenship. Thus,any state which ignores that requirement (many) should be made to conform with the law. States that select prospective jurors from voter registration rolls but then dismiss the juror because of non-citizenship should be required to notify federal inmmigration officials.

At the federal level, the DOJ should take action against any state that allows a non-citizen to register or to vote when there is reason to believe the individual is not a citizen or has not answered the citizenship question on the voter registration form required by HAVA.

This should be a local issue.
Such a one-size solution will be impossible or ineffective (see above).

We now have a "bottom-line" business manager in the Oval Office, one who appears to have turn-around capabilities. If Trump does initiate an audit of the registration practices of several of the states, I think he will find it to be a fruitful exercise that more than proves his point.

[frog in a pot]

Just WHO is issuing instructions?

Whether the “instructions” were generated internally or externally, the responsibility for such ultimately rests with the Secretary of State and the Governor. {;^)

[Kenny500c]

You need ID for like 99.99% of everything you do but not for voting.

Not really enough, an ID does not prove citizenship, but yes, it is a start.

[SkyDancer]

I thing we’re going to have an ID card like a passport (there are passport cards but can’t use them for international travel) and you have to be a proven citizen to have one. I always carry mine with me because I’m a flight crew member.

[spintreebob]

1) Motor Voter was early in Bill’s presidency. HAVA was in Bush’s presidency. But Bush and the Republicans naively let Sen Chris Dodd control its writing and administration, even though Republicans had a majority in everything at that time. So the 2 major Fed dictates on elections are unrelated to each other.

2) Show me where the Constitution gives the Feds control of state elections? Only under an extremely loose interpretation of the 13th, 14th, 15th. Some election districts allow non-citizens to vote in local elections. That is in the 10th Amendment.

3) Give me an example of where Fed interference in local affairs has worked out for the good.

4) So prosecute offendors, yes. But no Feralization of local control of the process.

[The Bat Lady]

4) So prosecute offendors, yes. But no Feralization of local control of the process.

But let's just say that one thing the Feds could do is to have EVERY State throw out ALL voter registrations after the May elections. Then big national news you must re-register before the next Nov election. It will be everywhere that you must re-register.

Take your voter card from last year and it will be easy'peasy.

Do NOT allow motor voter, ACORN or other left wing groups to register "Mickey Mouse". And anyone who does register another person must sign their name on each card of those they register under a felony penalty if attesting they are a citizen or a person (no pets either) legally able to vote.

And WHERE is the purple finger? that would cut down on multiple voting from polling place to polling place!!!

[The Bat Lady]

I meant my post above to go to all on this thread.

[spintreebob]

Throw out all voter registration in May? What about the elections later in that same May? and in June? Registration often closes 30 days before election day.

The unintended consequence of your proposal is to have universal same day registration... same day as voting day.

Maybe you should do a little research, and a little thought before posting.

[frog in a pot]

1)...So the 2 major Fed dictates on elections are unrelated to each other.
Whether they are related was not in issue until you just introduced it. But now that you bring it up, both of your “Fed dictates” were created by our state representatives in DC and are quite related. Both measures provide the states with statutory assistance to resolve the issue of noncitizen voting. Moreover, the second of your “Fed dictates” created the obligation of each state to alert the feds if a noncitizen attempts to register or vote.

2) Show me where the Constitution gives the Feds control of state elections?
I would if that were my argument, but you know it isn’t.

...Some election districts allow non-citizens to vote in local elections.
A handful of states allow noncitizens residing in political subdivisions to vote in local, non-federal elections, but once more that is beside the point. None of those states or any other state allows voting by noncitizens in a state-wide or federal election as a matter of state constitution or state statute. In fact, the voters in such states have uniformly rejected attempts to expand noncitizen voting to state elections.

At this point, one could well ask, “So what is the problem?” Most would respond, “The problem is when various states do not enforce their laws regarding noncitizen voting it has a adverse impact on the entire nation.”

3) Give me an example of where Fed interference in local affairs has worked out for the good.
If we change the phrase to read "involvement in state affairs" in order to make the question relevant, I will refer you to every prosecution under various fed election statutes.

4) So prosecute offendors, yes. But no Feralization of local control of the process.
Once again, nowhere do I argue for such control. The issue between us is whether the solution is solely a state matter. I argue the states have given themselves, at home and in DC, all the tools they need to enforce the solution, and that a meaningful number of states have failed to exercise the political will to do so. Clearly this is important at the national level because the votes of those in conforming states are devalued by the lack of political will in California, Colorado and other non-conforming states to adhere to the law.

[frog in a pot]

There are a number of solutions on the table, but your proposed re-registration of voters ought to be at the core of the program.

Encouraging states to cleanse corrupt voter records may well be part of a “sanctuary city” resolution. Some states may gain an exemption by a showing its registration process has been properly conducted and maintained.

Fortunately, we now have a non-politician, business manager in the Oval Office; one who knows how to delegate and otherwise use leverage to achieve proper results for the health of an entity.

Of course, there will be much hand-wringing and wailing that re-registration will create an unreasonable burden on the poor. Trump would likely say, “It will not cost the poor a dime...get over it”.

Do NOT allow motor voter, ACORN or other left wing groups to register "Mickey Mouse".
You will be pleased to learn that such is already a felony at the federal level but, after all, the feds have more important things to do and cannot chase after every infraction. /snort

And WHERE is the purple finger?
Some will no doubt argue that such a barbaric practice is inconsistent with the computer age. But that or a more effective measure seems a good idea. We should expect that one day soon the there will be the immediate capability of ensuring "one voter registration card, one vote".

[The Bat Lady]

Janet Napolitano was elected governor of Arizona when they counted and counted and counted the votes on the reservations long after election night. Matt Salmon, from the McCain/Flake Rino brigade never said a word.

Al Franken won similarly in Minnesota.

The press may be walking into doo doo here. There are plenty of examples. How about Cleveland and Philly for Obama in 2012?

Or how about THIS Texas example: see#45 see how it can be stolen by electronic voting machine as in Austin TX

http://us10.campaign-archive2.com/?u=e228a09f21842d992fa1519a9&id=0e34f661ca&e=71e8ac7cc6

this case CAN set precedent in all TX counties and, actually, ALL States of America but the Republican judges are covering for the fraud.

And I voted for at least one of them on the court of appeals. Had his sign in my yard. That will be the last time there for Puryear!

[The Bat Lady]

Throw out all voter registration in May? What about the elections later in that same May? and in June? Registration often closes 30 days before election day. The unintended consequence of your proposal is to have universal same day registration... same day as voting day. Maybe you should do a little research, and a little thought before posting.

So wait until May/June elections are over. Let's see May to November is SIX months, sorry 5 months if closing one month before election. That is NOT same day registration to vote. The citizens who want to vote have plenty of time to get to their county clerks office and register. The ones who want same day are OUT OF LUCK!!!

AND this year isn't like it is Governor race, maybe just State constitutional thoughts or something that can be missed? Get it done by NEXT Nov. for important stuff, sheeesh!

I have thought it out, I have talked to friends about this and getting all bad voters registrations from ACORN and the cemetery's voter rolls would be worth it.

and I HAVE thought it out. Please consider it as an option for cleaner elections. Just think of all the dead people off the rolls, that can't be mined by Dems.