Posted on 11/26/2016 8:43:03 PM PST by bobsunshine
Michigan – the battleground state with one of the closest margins in the country – appears headed toward a 2016 presidential election recount, although the deadline for requesting one is not until November 30. ...snip...
The Detroit Free Press said the recount “will be a monumental task for the Secretary of State and 83 county clerks around Michigan” and that the state will hand count each ballot if a recount is requested.
Michigan’s recount rules say that a candidate “who believes that the canvass of the votes cast on the office may be incorrect because of possible ‘fraud or mistake’ in the precinct returns may petition for a recount of the votes cast in the precincts involved.”
Michigan charges $125 per precinct for a recount. Opposing candidates can “submit objections to the recount request to the Board of County Canvassers,” Michigan’s recount rules say.
In contrast, Wisconsin does not mandate hand counting of ballots and uses a mixture of electronic machines and paper ballots. Pennsylvania is one of a few states to rely almost exclusively on electronic machines without any paper records.
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I wonder what’s going to happen to the soaring stock market because of this nonsense in the coming days?
Inspectors of election or the returns” in NC are jointly agreed upon in NC. In Cumberland County most precincts have a three person team from both political parties, 2-1 mix with party in power holding 2 election judge positions. All positions are staffed by people who attend the same training in mixed political classrooms. Bipartisanship works to my surprise having worked on elections in the past.
Right, just like no candidate but McCain had ‘standing’ to challenge barry’s qualifications for potus. They told us that he was the one and only aggrieved party.
They couldn’t cheat enough before and during the election, so now they think they have an opportunity too cheat a little more after the fact.
I thought that everybody’s vote is supposed to count and it’s their sacred right to fully participate in the electoral process. How is it constitutional to throw out the EV votes of 3 states? I’m just saying I would expect lawsuits over it. How would it look if Clinton became president by this path? She would be completely illegitimate and an usurper by cheating the voters.
I honestly don’t know anything about the election law in each of the 3 states or in general(have been reading about it on the various recount threads).
I thought this post by dsm69 was interesting:
“If somehow PA’s electoral votes don’t get counted, then the 270 electoral vote number gets lowered to 260 electoral votes needed for the presidency. The 12th Amendment states in part:
“The person having the greatest Number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed”
Since PA’s Elector’s weren’t “appointed” the number of voting electors drops from 538 to 518. Majority number would then be 260 Electoral Votes needed for election. This is why the dimrats in Florida 2000 where trying to stretch the recounts out as long as possible so that Florida could not have their electors vote in the electoral college vote. Al Gore would then have won when the 270 minimum electoral vote number would have dropped down to something like 258 had Florida’s electors not been able to cast their ballots.
If by some chance the Dems/Stein manage to get slow hand recounts going in all three states and play the delaying game enough that these states electoral votes (46 combined PA, MI and WI) are NOT able to be cast, then the new total number of “appointed” electors voting would be 492. The new Majority number needed to win the Electoral College would be 247 electoral votes needed for election.
If you take away the three states in question, Trump leads Clinton 260-232 in the Electoral College. Trump will still be the next president and win the majority of appointed electors, so just simply blocking these three states from casting electoral votes will not help Clinton or hurt Trump.
Only way Hillary will become POTUS from all this is if she steals PA (20 Electoral College votes) + either MI or WI and then blocks wither MI or WI from casting it’s electoral votes. Stealing MI + WI and blocking PA from casting electoral votes will not win her the presidency. Without these three states, Clinton trails Trump by 28 in the electoral college. Netting MI + WI and blocking PA would make it Trump 260 - Clinton 258. Trump would still win the presidency by one Electoral College vote.
Unless Stein/Clinton find the most corrupt, partisan judge in all Pennsylvania to hear Steins recount/election challenge request, if the judge simply follows Pennsylvania election law for recounts, they will have to reject her request”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3498751/posts?q=1&;page=101
Clinton will never stop. Send her to prison.
"Federal law requires that ALL votes are to be counted (in this case recounted) by December 13th (35 days after the election). If the votes aren’t counted by then, that state’s electoral votes won’t be counted. If 270 isn’t reached by anyone, then the House will vote (one delegate per state) for the President out of the top three candidates, and the Senate will vote for the VP out of the top two candidates. If the House is still deadlocked by Inauguration Day, the VP elect will be sworn in until the President elect issue is resolved."
Comments?
Thanks for chiming in on that. I think people forget that the chain of custody of the ballots/machines and the actual counting are monitored very closely by representatives of all political parties and lawyers. It’s not a couple of guys in a back room with dim lighting.
If there is foul play, it is easiest to perpetrate it in the registration process or in the voting process-especially in those states where voter ID is not required.
It just seems wrong. It’s the recount that should be disqualified for not meeting the deadline. That would discourage these last minute attempts at chicanery. If they don’t finish the recount by the deadline, then the original vote should stand.
WI has voter ID.
They are counted.
I beg to differ. Many of the comments here are from past experiences. Submitting fake votes requires more creativity than was once required, but they do it.
I’m under the opinion that in isolated ‘fraud-ridden’ counties in battleground states, SoE workers systematically manufactures votes and they are set aside to be used, as needed. Casting these latent votes can be risky because they run the risk of getting caught through over-votes and other irregularities.
By planting fictitious names and accepting alien registrations that are unlikely to vote, they can add thousands of voters to the rolls. I once saw dozens of names on the rolls registered to the same nonexistent address. They have also caught thousands registered to a PO Box mailing center place.
An election official or their insider friend requests absentee ballots for these faux-voters, but they never actually mail these ballots. When and if they need them, they use they ballots to push their candidate(s) over the top. Too bad Hillary’s pollsters had given her such a substantial lead. They did not think that she needed any help, especially in the rust-belt.
Another cheating way would be in the handling of absentee ballots. The ones from (R) precincts can be discarded. Or they can be opened and additional candidates can be bubbled in invalidating a specific race completely. Another way would be to select Clinton when the actual potus race had not shown a preference.
It appears that Florida was absolutely headed this way. Trump’s attorneys were brought in to challenge the premature opening of 130,000 or maybe it was 150,000 absentee ballots about a week prior to the election. They were being opened without supervision and once the ballots are separated from their envelopes, they become invalidated.
About four days prior to election day a ‘whistle blower’ from inside the Supervisor of Elections office reports witnessing twice, four SoE employees filling out stacks of ballots behind a locked door. She was fired when they relized what she had witnessed. She submitted an affidavit and the State district attorney paid a visit the next day to the SoE. It stopped with a lame excuse. At the same time, a talking head from Hillary’s team is on FOX news claiming that the AA vote is surging for Hillary in Broward.
This is all in Broward, Florida. They tried and they got caught, redhanded. Had these events continued, unabated, surely Donald Trump would have lost Florida. I will post links to these events.
And its very likely that Mitt Romney won Florida, based on the numbers. He just never knew it because they cheat.
If this large scale fraud does not stop we will never win another election.
They need to place 24 hour surveillance in election worker offices to prevent these games and the rolls need some serious purging.
Not necessarily. I bet you and Fred live in some ‘clean’ pllace where everyone follows the law and is not rife with cheaters!
There is no voter ID required to send in an absentee ballot. Process a bogus registration and they’re good to go.
See post #94.
It can be four women in a back room behind a locked door.
The people of these three states need to know the Democrats would deny them their electoral votes and chance to participate in the election deliberately. Don’t vote our way, we make you pay.
I agree but admittedly my experience is very tainted.
Read post #94 on how she just about robbed Florida’s vote, again.
Forget the money. Not a concern to Soros. He must be broken.
You do realize that Stone knows Trump very well, right?
He knows.
Hillary is dead. She put a stake through her own heart when she said Trump should accept the election results. I won’t get into the encounter with a Democrat operative before the election other than to say their demeanor was negative about Hillary’s chances in Pennsylvania. Her campaign knew they were losing when they scheduled the last minute concerts in Pittsburgh and Philadelphia and campaigning by the Obamas in Philadelphia.
Pittsburgh killed Hillary in Pennsylvania. She got only 60% of the vote there which was not enough to carry the state. Stein won’t find it easy to get a recount in Pennsylvania and if she did, finding enough votes to surmount Trump’s 68,000 lead is impossible. Stein has no legal standing in Pennsylvania. That means even if Wisconsin and Michigan are changed to Hillary, Trump still has over 270 electoral votes.
Sit back and relish the continued panic among Democrats and their supporters.
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