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The U.S. Navy Is Short on Submarine Hunters
War is Boring ^ | 8/24/16 | Dave Majumdar

Posted on 08/24/2016 6:58:43 AM PDT by Lower Deck

The U.S. Navy will need to develop an organic carrier-based fixed-wing anti-submarine warfare capability to counter the resurgent threat from enemy submarines.

The Navy simply does not have enough attack submarines, cruisers, destroyers or helicopters to adequately protect the its deployed forces from subsurface threats because its ASW capability has atrophied since the end of the Cold War.

“It’s a growing threat that will almost certainly influence the relevance of the carrier,” said retired U.S. Navy Capt. Jerry Hendrix, director of the Defense Strategies and Assessments Program at the Center for a New American Security. “The Navy will need a new platform to replace the retired S-3 Viking.”

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ASW is an art. It's more than replacing the platforms, it's building up the skill sets again. That's not something done overnight.
1 posted on 08/24/2016 6:58:43 AM PDT by Lower Deck
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To: Lower Deck

“organic carrier-based fixed-wing anti-submarine warfare capability”

African swallows dropping coconuts qualify?


2 posted on 08/24/2016 7:00:56 AM PDT by thoughtomator (This message has been encrypted in ROT13 twice for maximum security)
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To: Lower Deck

I can tell them where all the subs are.

In the ocean!


3 posted on 08/24/2016 7:02:13 AM PDT by Scrambler Bob (As always, /s is implicitly assumed. Unless explicitly labled /not s. Saves keystrokes.)
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To: Lower Deck
The big problem is that the US Navy retired the Lockheed S-3 Viking fleet too early. Fortunately, most of those planes now sitting in the "boneyard" are still intact, and they could be put back into service on short notice.
4 posted on 08/24/2016 7:03:15 AM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's Economic Cure)
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To: RayChuang88

Are you talking about P-3s?


5 posted on 08/24/2016 7:05:36 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: RayChuang88

And replacing the P-3 Orion with a modified 737 was a mistake. The P-3 could shut down two engines, feather the props, and loiter in the area of a submarine for hours, flying low and slow.


6 posted on 08/24/2016 7:08:23 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Socialism is always just one or a thousand or a million more murders away from utopia.)
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To: Lower Deck

A significant part of the problem is that submarines are so much better at remaining undetected these days.


7 posted on 08/24/2016 7:08:23 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (America, a Rule of Mob nation)
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To: Gaffer
Nope. The S-3 Viking is a four-seater, twin-turbofan sub hunter that operated out of carriers. They've been retired, but the planes are mostly in flyable storage and could be reactivated again on short notice.
8 posted on 08/24/2016 7:08:58 AM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's Economic Cure)
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To: RayChuang88

I remember the P-3 Orions that had MAD missions. Worked comms for a unit out of NAS Rota Spain when I was in the AF at Lajes.


9 posted on 08/24/2016 7:10:58 AM PDT by Gaffer
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ASW capability has atrophied

Should have thought of that before ditching the Lockheed Electra in favor of the 737 as its land based ASW component. The 737 may get there more quickly and comfortably, and help make its pilots more marketable for the airlines, but it lacks the long, slow loiter.

Maybe they need to roll out some blimps again, as well.

10 posted on 08/24/2016 7:11:15 AM PDT by PAR35
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The 737 may get there more quickly and comfortably, and help make its pilots more marketable for the airlines, but it lacks the long, slow loiter.

Actually the radius of the P-8 and the P-3 aren't all that different.

11 posted on 08/24/2016 7:21:51 AM PDT by Lower Deck
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To: Lower Deck

Need to dust off my flight boots and see if they make a flight suit in my current size. (Still have an old helmet complete with hydraulic oil stains)


12 posted on 08/24/2016 7:22:35 AM PDT by TexasTransplant (Idiocracy used to just be a Movie... Live every day as your last...one day you will be right)
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To: Lower Deck

The problem is that the US is a sea-power, by geography, temperament, heritage and industry. But we squandered all of that to sort out the Middle East, drew down our naval forces all for which we have dust and ashes in some god-forsaken desert.


13 posted on 08/24/2016 7:23:58 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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P3s flew out of Moffett field in Northern California for years.

Taxpayers gave the airfield and blimp hangers to Google for nothing, other than the compensation exchanged to a corrupt politician or two somewhere.

14 posted on 08/24/2016 7:29:31 AM PDT by caltaxed
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To: Lower Deck; SunkenCiv; Nachum

Do you really think Obola’s administration (and the “people” he is promoting) really want to defeat a communist submarine force?


15 posted on 08/24/2016 7:33:54 AM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but socialists' ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: thoughtomator

Are you suggesting coconuts have homing capabilities?


16 posted on 08/24/2016 7:34:03 AM PDT by gigster (Cogito, Ergo, Ronaldus Magnus Conservatus)
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To: AndyJackson

And now the Mil brass is squandering what is left to by hundreds of F-35s ...


17 posted on 08/24/2016 7:37:29 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: Lower Deck

Outsource it!
H1Bs welcome!!!


18 posted on 08/24/2016 7:38:57 AM PDT by MrBambaLaMamba ( Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.)
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To: Gaffer
Are you talking about P-3s?

P-3s are fixed-wing, land-based sub hunters (though I thought these were being retired and replaced with a newer model.)

S-3s are folding-wing, carrier-based ASW aircraft.

19 posted on 08/24/2016 7:47:18 AM PDT by Lou L (Health "insurance" is NOT the same as health "care")
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I understand that, but you have to realize that P-3s had better MAD booms and had the opportunity to “map” predetermined areas to plot out a map of anomalies under quiet times, very handy in comparing new data to old.

I’d think the A/C versions were counting on less sophisticated detection myself. Just a dumbass’s opinion - two cents and all that.


20 posted on 08/24/2016 7:50:46 AM PDT by Gaffer
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